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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-CA link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Pretty interesting thread you started here. I’m not sure we all have a concept of how basic shelter can get and what it takes to even make that happen and make it secure and what you are making it secure against.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> Only problem with the bottle thing is cutting the hole - It takes tools to cut holes, fasten things – tools have value. I was in a place yesterday (a home of sorts) where everything that had ANY value was stripped out and long gone (windows, wiring, everything including the tools and utensils used to take everything out).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I was in a home once that used nail holes to let in light – was a nice pattern and the light was beautiful to wake up to. Door hinges were pieces of old tires. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I think in general people do the best they can with the time they have and what they have but there is a point where a simple achievable concept like the bottle in the roof can make a huge difference – imagine if that bottle had more value that made it inaccessible. I remember in reading Braudel on European history that as part of the furnishing contents of the inventoried (for tax purposes) contents of a french tenant farmers family home they had a stool, a table and a cracked bowl.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org [mailto:greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Sacie Lambertson<br><b>Sent:</b> July-21-11 12:28 PM<br><b>To:</b> Green Building<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Greenbuilding] neat idea<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Nope, by flattening the container you lose its ability to hold water, therefore lose the light refraction which provides far more light than a simple light-hole in the roof..<br><br>Secondly, YES, thieves do operate with near abandon in very poor countries where there isn't a neighborhood watch, including in the neighborhoods where these shacks grow.<br><br>No joke.<br><br>Sacie</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><i>'thieves'? now who isn't being serious?</i><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></body></html>