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<FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'>Do you know how magical colored water is for my kids when they complain of a headache but don’t really need any Tylenol?<BR>
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Some kids never grow old of that need.<BR>
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On 7/25/11 12:58 PM, "Gennaro Brooks-Church" <<a href="info@ecobrooklyn.com">info@ecobrooklyn.com</a>> wrote:<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE="2"><FONT FACE="Consolas, Courier New, Courier"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:10pt'>I've heard of studies where they gave people a chalk pill and told<BR>
them it was a useless chalk pill. Nothing much happened. Then they<BR>
gave the same pill and said it was useful medicine. Lo and behold the<BR>
people said the pill helped....<BR>
So maybe in the end it doesn't matter if this devise works. It works<BR>
for Carmine.<BR>
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On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Keith Winston<BR>
<<a href="keith@earthsunenergy.com">keith@earthsunenergy.com</a>> wrote:<BR>
>> From: Carmine Vasile <<a href="gfx-ch@msn.com">gfx-ch@msn.com</a>><BR>
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>> Nick: It's not just a "metal plate clamped onto the pipe"; it's an<BR>
>> ultrasonic resonator that extracts energy from running water. It takes a<BR>
>> while to begin working and will NOT "cost you heat energy" either. Before<BR>
>> you condemn an invention you should do some homework. Carmine<BR>
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> I think Nick's point about costing heat energy has to do with the heat<BR>
> dissipation of adding a fin to a tube. But in any case, if it "extracts"<BR>
> energy from running water, something happens: either the water gets colder,<BR>
> or there is greater resistance to flow in the pipe, as far as I can tell.<BR>
> But I've never seen anything that operates anything like this: resonators<BR>
> generally require very specific flow rates or frequencies that they are<BR>
> tuned to (i.e. the Takoma Narrows bridge bounced around for months before<BR>
> the conditions became perfect for it's destruction). This device doesn't<BR>
> specify anything about the flow rate. It also doesn't actually enter the<BR>
> water (that would open up regulatory cans of worms, no doubt), so where does<BR>
> this energy come from and how is it extracted? Why don't we use this<BR>
> incredible energy extraction technology to solve the worlds' energy<BR>
> problems? You say "do some homework", but I can't figure out the homework to<BR>
> do? There's no there there.<BR>
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> One of the prominent features of humans is our ability to lie, including<BR>
> (and perhaps especially) to ourselves. One of the major advances/results of<BR>
> the development of science was to try to provide a means for detecting and<BR>
> controlling our fabrications and exaggerations... even when we believe them.<BR>
> Our scientific understanding is always limited, so maybe this device is<BR>
> pushing the frontier, and it does something that we don't understand and<BR>
> can't properly explain. But that's not what I see: instead I see<BR>
> science-like mumbo-jumbo that is self-contradictory and meaningless. Which<BR>
> speaks to me of purposeful misleading. No independent testing, no<BR>
> peer-reviewed articles... Not even an honest "we don't underrstand how the<BR>
> hell this thing works, but it's amazing" (hint: that probably doesn't sell<BR>
> too many doo-hickeys).<BR>
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> The green technology field is full of hand-waving empty promises, and they<BR>
> can severely undermine the confidence people have in new technologies. But<BR>
> I'm probably raging pointlessly here: this is as old as human society. And<BR>
> maybe undermined confidence is a good thing: the problem here is not that<BR>
> people lie, but that people don't question.<BR>
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> Keith<BR>
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