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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-CA link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap: break-word;-webkit-nbsp-mode: space;-webkit-line-break: after-white-space'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I would agree – carbon footprint is about how food is produced and can vary dramatically depending how it is produced, harvested and marketed. Locally raised beef on native grassland I am sure would have less end harm than mono-cropped machine harvested lentils 1000’s of miles away.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The single biggest concern for food production is really soil and nutrient loss and Wes Jackson of the land institute long ago asserted that traditional grazing of cattle on perennial grassland resulted in less soil loss than the best of amish farming practices. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>For food to continue I think we have no choice but to support local food/farming initiatives and rather than demanding what type of food we want we need to consume what is available locally and for most farms that would include livestock of some sort or other. For example the use of a biodiesel tractor or draft horses consumes roughly ¼ of a farms cropland. The tractor however is dependent on a successful fuel crop where the horse has a more varied diet and returns unutilized carbon to the soil as manure rather than exhaust. A tractor may be more efficient but that efficiency doesn’t translate into more food production as there is a relationship between its efficiency and the cropland it consumes.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Making a farm work is a complex task and if we (as consumers) simply demand lentils then a farmer will be forced to crop from land (sloped or prone to runoff) that is more suitable for grazing (if we are looking at conserving soil) and the end result is the destruction of the soil base. If we support local farms then we have to support and encourage diversity.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>John<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;line-height:80%'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:80%;font-family:"Gill Sans MT","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>JOHN SALMEN ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;line-height:80%'><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;line-height:80%;font-family:"Eras Light ITC","sans-serif";color:#FF3300'>station design & millwork<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Gill Sans MT Condensed","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>4465 UPHILL RD DUNCAN BC V9L6M7 250-748-7672 C 250-246-8541 F 250-748-7612<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org [mailto:greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Racheli Gai<br><b>Sent:</b> July-31-11 7:55 AM<br><b>To:</b> Green Building<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Greenbuilding] While we're on Solar....any experience with a solar cooker?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Lynelle,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>I have a Sun Oven also. I use it regularly, and like it a lot. I have cooked chicken, as well as slow roasted meats. After a long, slow, cooking food tastes<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>simply delicious, and if the sun disappeared on you, you can always stick the food in a conventional oven to finish the cooking. I have an electric stove and solar panels,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>so cooking indoors is solar, too.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The EWG study also called attention to the fact that responsible grazing contributes to reviving bee populations. In other words: One needs to look at issues<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>in a larger context, not just the matter of producing carbon, as well as look at what's available and worthy of support locally. For example, if you help responsible ranching<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>exist and thereby avoid conversion of land into more sub-divisions, you might be doing some good, even if eating meat might be more costly in some ways than<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>eating something else.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Racheli.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Jul 31, 2011, at 7:27 AM, sanjay jain wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>>I have built enough this year and so am looking for a pre-made solar cooker that will hopefully cook chicken and bake. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>The larger carbon footprint saving would result from not eating chicken. While chicken is better than lamb and beef, it's more than 3 times worse than vegetarian foods. See: Recent Environmental Working group's report graph at <a href="http://static.ewg.org/reports/2011/meateaters/images/green_house_proteins.jpg">http://static.ewg.org/reports/2011/meateaters/images/green_house_proteins.jpg</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>This Time article is worth reading: <a href="http://ecocentric.blogs.time.com/2011/07/26/how-meat-and-dairy-are-hiking-your-carbon-footprint/">http://ecocentric.blogs.time.com/2011/07/26/how-meat-and-dairy-are-hiking-your-carbon-footprint/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>~sanjay<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Lynelle Hamilton <<a href="mailto:lynelle@lahamilton.com">lynelle@lahamilton.com</a>><br><b>To:</b> Greenbuilding <<a href="mailto:greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org">greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 31, 2011 8:48 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> [Greenbuilding] While we're on Solar....any experience with a solar cooker?<br></span><span style='color:black'><br>I have built enough this year and so am looking for a pre-made solar cooker that will hopefully cook chicken and bake. Any experience out there with any of the pre-mades?<br><br>Thanks!<br><br>Lynelle<br>-- Effective immediately, please use the following e-mail address to reach me: <a href="mailto:lynelle@lahamilton.com">lynelle@lahamilton.com</a><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Greenbuilding mailing list<br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br><a href="mailto:Greenbuilding@bioenergylists.org">Greenbuilding@bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/greenbuilding_lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/greenbuilding_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>Greenbuilding mailing list<br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br><a href="mailto:Greenbuilding@bioenergylists.org">Greenbuilding@bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br>http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/greenbuilding_lists.bioenergylists.org<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>