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<DIV>I second Alan's take here. We had white Corian in our old home
with T-5's undercabinet (18") and rarely turned on the overhead, for
the same reasons. We now have the same lighting with Silestone and even though
it's not as illuminating as the previous, find it quite accepable. </DIV>
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<DIV>Perhaps my own eyes aren't yet as far gone as my friend in Tacoma Park
though.</DIV>
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<DIV>Ron </DIV>
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href="mailto:alan@abramsdesignbuild.com">Alan Abrams</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 17, 2011 1:10
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Greenbuilding] undercabinet
fluorescent fixtures</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>best solution for kitchen lighting is continuous T-5's under
wall cabinets and or shelves at 16"-20" inches above the counter...and...a
light colored, matte finished counter surface. The counters make a
significant difference in visual comfort. Best kitchen I've cooked in
had continuous fluorescent under cabinet lighting and white corian
counters. The corian was slightly transluscent, like fine marble, and
actually functioned as a source of illumination. I never turned on the
overhead lights, except to sweep the floor. <BR><BR>By contrast my
kitchen has continuous T-5's and soapstone counters, which seem to suck light
out of space. Not that 7 years have passed since the corian
days...incipient cataracts having nothing to do with it...<BR><BR><BR
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Clarke Olsen <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:colsen@fairpoint.net">colsen@fairpoint.net</A>></SPAN>
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class=gmail_quote>I make kitchen cabinets with the first shelf open: dishes
and glasses are not ugly, and they are much handier without doors.<BR>With a
lip on the front that stiffens the shelf and hides the light, I've used
T-5's lately, though T-4's would be skinnier.<BR>Check the wattage to hold
the light down to a level that works.<BR><FONT color=#888888><BR>Clarke
Olsen<BR>373 route 203<BR>Spencertown, NY 12165<BR>USA<BR><A
href="tel:518-392-4640" value="+15183924640">518-392-4640</A><BR><A
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<DIV class=h5><BR><BR><BR><BR>On Aug 17, 2011, at 9:52 AM, Anne Judge
wrote:<BR><BR>><BR>> On Aug 16, 2011, at 11:55 PM, JOHN SALMEN
wrote:<BR>><BR>>> Modern<BR>>> residential kitchens were
essentially designed by some rich brat in the 30's<BR>>> so her staff
would be more efficient??<BR>><BR>> My observation is that it's more
like someone combined the pantries (storage and butler) and the kitchen
(large working room with stove & work table etc.) into one room for more
modest smaller houses. You'll find modern-looking upper & lower
cabinets in late 19th-C upper class butler's pantries. Their upper
cabinets did just what most of mine do, store dishes. Don't knock it,
I don't know where else I would want to keep them.<BR>><BR>> The
problem looks to me that that changed what was mostly a staging area into a
functional work surface. I think it worked pretty well, after raising
the upper cabinet a bit & deepening the lower one, but it was a
compromise. I certainly would never give up my upper cabinets to make
it marginally more ergonomic.<BR>><BR>> Do you still find that modern
LED undercounter lights are still not a really useful working light? I
actually don't have under-cabinet lights and every so often look at
them.<BR>><BR>> Anne<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
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