<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">What a wonderful analogy: You don't have a clothes dryer therefore you must be poor!<div><br><div>Does the same apply if I don't have an electric toothbrush, or if the cat-flap isn't automated, or if I actually have to manually push buttons on my heating system thermostat?</div><div><br></div><div>Wow I never realised how 'poor' I am! :)</div><div>But funny how good it feels!</div><div><br></div><div>In jest...<br><div>
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<br><div><div>On 2011-08-29, at 5:09 PM, Benjamin Pratt wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>"Most of the world doesn't use clothes dryers and somehow they manage."<br><br>Not a great argument. Much of the people in the world don't have<br>toilets, are malnourished, don't use birth control, don't have access<br>to an education or healthcare, etc ,etc, etc. Most of the people dn't<br>manage--at least their lives could be a whole lot better if there<br>were any justice in the world....<br>I know those things are a lot more important than wrinkles. I'm just<br>trying to say that telling anyone that they should live as if they are<br>poor is not realistic. Or maybe it's what we need to save the<br>planet--A huge worldwide depression leading to disease and a huge<br>reduction of the population<br>Ben<br><br><br><br><br>On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 2:34 PM, <a href="mailto:candtcampbell@juno.com">candtcampbell@juno.com</a><br><<a href="mailto:candtcampbell@juno.com">candtcampbell@juno.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I have not experimented with different detergents. My clothes are almost<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">exclusively cotton and the city water probably is medium hard. But if I were<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">to put a pair of blue jeans out to dry on a rack, I would expect the jeans<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">to be so stiff when dry that they would almost stand by themselves.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Hm. You say you 'would expect' this. And I sense that your expectation would<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">be that this state of affairs would be unacceptable. I wonder if you tried<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">it (the drying on a rack, and putting the clothes on afterward) and report<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">back. Most of the world doesn't use clothes dryers and somehow they manage.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">I didn't say I couldn't manage. I'm trying to avoid potential problems before I consider investing in equipment.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">And badly wrinkled too. Underwear, flannel shirts and T shirts would fare no<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">better.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I've washed all my laundry cold and dried it on the rack everywhere I've<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">lived. I've also never ironed anything except, very rarely, a shirt. I don't<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">go to weddings that often. I suppose I've been missing out all these years,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">but honestly I'm not sure what the problem is that you've conjured in your<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">mind.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">As problems go, wrinkles are pretty insignificant. But if I can avoid them, I will, just to be socially acceptable.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">that is not my experience with blue jeans and cotton shirts, and I've been<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">hanging clothes on the line for a long time.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Bob Waldrop, OKC<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">If you are hanging outdoors, I would think that the breeze blowing would deal well with the wrinkles. But I would also think that you risk soiling by birds and insects.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Nor mine. Nothing is stiff, and most of the wrinkles hang out. Most of the >clothes are cotton.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Don't the clothespins themselves create pinch marks?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">(If you hang the shirts and pants upside down, and use 2 pins at the bottom >corners, there's often no need for an iron.)<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Excellent tip, thanks.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Charles<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Greenbuilding mailing list<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:Greenbuilding@bioenergylists.org">Greenbuilding@bioenergylists.org</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/greenbuilding_lists.bioenergylists.org">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/greenbuilding_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><br><br><br>-- <br><br><br>b e n j a m i n p r a t t<br><br>professor art+design<br>the university of wisconsin stout<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Greenbuilding mailing list<br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br><a href="mailto:Greenbuilding@bioenergylists.org">Greenbuilding@bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br>http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/greenbuilding_lists.bioenergylists.org<br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></body></html>