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<DIV>But where’s the extra heat coming from with one of these heaters in a box?
the advertising is implying that by using this device you are somehow making a
profit on the energy input. I don’t see it.</DIV>
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<DIV>Bob waldrop, OKC</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=steve@tjiang.org
href="mailto:steve@tjiang.org">Steven Tjiang</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September 22, 2011 12:08 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org">Green Building</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Greenbuilding] Quartz Infrared
Heaters</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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conservation of energy (i.e. 1st law of thermodynamics) applies to closed
systems. It is very easy to MOVE much more than 1 kwh of heat from one
place to another using 1 kwh of electrical energy. Happens all the time.
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<DIV>---- Steve (KZ6LSD)<BR><BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Bob Waldrop <SPAN
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class=gmail_quote>I am not an expert on electrical heating devices, but the
laws of thermodynamics dictate that it is physically impossible to get more
than 1 kwh of heat out of 1 kwh of electrical energy. in fact, the
amount of heat will always be less than the amount of energy expended, whether
we are talking electricity, natural gas, wood, propane, whatever. You
can't make a profit, you can't break even, you can't get out of the
game.<BR><BR>Bob Waldrop, firmly devoted to obeying the laws of
thermodynamics, all the time, everywhere,<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----
From: Kat<BR>Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:48 AM<BR>To: Green Building
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<DIV class=h5><BR>Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Quartz Infrared
Heaters<BR><BR>And if that "someone" would maybe possibly be willing to
explain to the rest of us MATH-FREE? ;-)<BR><BR>-Kat<BR><BR>On 9/22/2011 8:00
AM, elitalking wrote:<BR>
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class=gmail_quote>Corwyn writes: For heating areas, or people?<BR><BR><BR>My
comment:<BR><BR>This is for heating people. However, I do not
understand how it works. A radiant infrared lamp directed at an
occupant will deliver heat to the body without heating up the whole
space. However, in this device, the lamp is inside a box that includes
a fan to distribute the heat convectively. The box is warm to the
touch, but not hot like a woodstove. My guess is that a lamp is used to heat
up copper plates and a fan blows this heat to deliver to space.
Therefore the heat is not radiantly delivered to occupant. I do not
understand why 1kwh electricity would produce more heat the 1kwh of
heat. I know someone on this list does understand these devices.
I hope you are willing to explain it to the list.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Thanks
Eli<BR><BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- From: "Corwyn" <<A
href="mailto:corwyn@midcoast.com"
target=_blank>corwyn@midcoast.com</A>><BR>To: "Green Building" <<A
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Tuesday, September 20, 2011 5:34 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Quartz
Infrared Heaters<BR><BR><BR>
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class=gmail_quote>On 9/19/2011 4:00 PM, elitalking wrote:<BR>
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class=gmail_quote><BR><BR>Do people on the list have experience and
opinions about Quartz Infrared<BR>Heaters such as Edenpure? Are these
better than heat element heaters for<BR>small heat required
situations?<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>For heating areas, or people?<BR><BR>Thank
you Kindly,<BR><BR>Corwyn<BR><BR>-- <BR>Topher Belknap<BR>Green Fret
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