<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Gary,</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>What as shame you are promoting Microsoft over Open Source. M$ has caused millions, if not billions of tonnes of unnecessary eWaste. They are constantly forcing people to upgrade their OS, which requires better hardware and so people are forced to replace perfectly usable equipment.</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>See my petition at:<br></span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>http://www.change.org/petitions/microsoft-ceo-stop-promoting-e-waste</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>~sanjay<br></span></div><br><div><br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Arial" size="2"><hr
 size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Gary BIs <gary@builditsolar.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Green Building <greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, September 26, 2011 3:52 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Greenbuilding] Web Design<br></font><br><meta http-equiv="x-dns-prefetch-control" content="off"><div id="yiv1259108203">
  

    
  Hi Eli,<br>
    I can tell you what works pretty well for me on the BuildItSolar.com
    site.<br>
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    I use the Expressions Web software from Microsoft.  Expressions Web
    is what MS came up with after they dropped Frontpage.  Both of these
    are more word processor like than they are HTML editor like.  I very
    rarely do anything in HTML.  Expressions Web is a good deal more
    than an editor -- without getting into their hype, its just about
    everything you need to create and maintain even a large and complex
    website.  I won't say there is no learning curve, but its not much
    more work than learning Word.  It generally produces clean and
    standards compliant code that is easy to read and edit if you want
    to do that.   I think that considering what they provide its an
    exceptional bargain.<br>
    <br>
    Because my site is large and does contain a lot of information that
    is subject to change, I did look into Joomla and one of the other
    similar packages.  I decided against it because its fairly complex
    and it comes with limitations I did not want to live with.  It seems
    to me that if you plan your site carefully from the start and keep
    it well organized its not really that difficult to keep up even a
    very large site.<br>
    <br>
    My "formula" is to concentrate hard on making the content good and
    detailed -- detailed enough to build projects from.  Other than a
    few Javascript calculators, I don't use anything but straight HTML
    -- no Flash etc.   The site averages 12,000 unique visitors a day,
    so it does fine without the fancy stuff.  People care a lot more
    about content than they do about Flash -- if you are doing a one man
    site, spend your time on the stuff that counts.<br>
    <br>
    In the end, you want to pick an approach that is right for you and
    your background -- it may not end up being what a person who earns
    his living on a web development team would pick.  Feel free to email
    me if you think I can be of help.<br>
    <br>
    Gary<br>
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                <div class="yiv1259108203gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 26,
                  2011 at 10:50 AM, elitalking <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:elitalking@rockbridge.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:elitalking@rockbridge.net">elitalking@rockbridge.net</a>></span>
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                          <div style="line-height: normal; margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class="yiv1259108203MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 16pt;">I know this may
                              seem off topic with greenbuilding,
                              however, I know that many on this list
                              manage websites.<span>    </span>I have
                              decided to do the same.<span>  I want to
                                promote many of the concepts that are
                                relavant to this list on my site.</span></span></div>
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                              wondering how you manage your website.<span> 
                              </span>Did you get a consultant to develop
                              the format, or did you design it yourself.
                              My inclination is to do it myself.<span> 
                              </span>However, I am finding the HTML code
                              is not intuitive at all.<span>  </span>I
                              am working through the tutorial of a
                              program called Coffee Cup (HTML code
                              editor).<span>  </span>It certainly makes
                              it easier to enter the code and quickly
                              view your results.<span>  </span>However,
                              it does not bypass the need to learn the
                              code.<span>  </span>This program also has
                              a graphic editor which is more intuitive.<span> 
                              </span>However, it does not support HTML5,
                              which I have learned is the latest
                              language being supported by the dominant
                              browsers.<span>  </span>I like that
                              concept of a graphic editor, but if they
                              are not supporting graphic editor with the
                              new HTML versions, it tells me they have
                              trouble with that approach and are fading
                              it out.<span>  </span>The easiest method
                              I have identified yet is converting a MS
                              Word document to an HTML.<span>  </span>It
                              is very intuitive.<span>  </span><span> </span>I
                              noticed that when I viewed the source
                              code, it was really long, thousands of
                              lines.<span>  </span>I am wondering if
                              this will slow down the loading of the
                              page.<span>  </span>Another program
                              described in my book “Web Design in Easy
                              Steps”, they describe another program call
                              Dreamweaver by Adobe.<span>  </span>The
                              book claims this is a robust program that
                              includes graphic layout features.<span>  </span><span> I
                                would expect a significant learning
                                curve.  They do not offer trial period
                                installation or return policy.  The cost
                                of program with training is around
                                $200.  No problem if it meets my need. 
                                However, I would like to hear from some
                                who may be using this program.  </span></span></div>
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                              not know, you can see the code used on a
                              loaded webpage by right clicking on the
                              page and left clicking the view source.
                              What comes up makes no sense to the
                              untrained eye.<span>  </span>It is the
                              coded instructions to the browser how to
                              display the information on page.<span>  </span>This
                              is an example of taking a thousand words
                              to describe one picture.<span>  </span><span> </span></span></div>
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