Hear Hear.<div>It is the constant balance between scientists seeking absolutes so that we can make sense of the world and the universe expanding infinitely.</div><div><br clear="all">Gennaro Brooks-Church<br><br>Cell: 1 347 244 3016 USA<br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:50 PM, natural building <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:naturalbuilding@shaw.ca">naturalbuilding@shaw.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word">I love it when people (usually with lots of letters after their names) come out with categoric statements like: 'This is NOT true'!<div><br></div><div>If all those people had been 'right' the world would still be flat and we'd be feeding Thalidomide to pregnant mothers!</div>
<div><br></div><div>History is saturated with accounts of supposedly intelligent people making claims that are later proved to be wrong. We continue to learn. And if there's one thing that History teaches us (if we aren't too clever to learn) it's that what we THINK is an absolute truth, probably isn't.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Hey, CERN has just discovered that neutrinos might travel faster than the speed of light.</div><div>Damn, another 'absolute' belief going out the window... ! Sorry Albert. Nice try.</div><div><br>
</div><div>In healthy 'disbelief'<br><div><br><div>
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<br><div><div>On 2011-09-26, at 8:49 AM, Joe Killian wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite">
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Having spent 21 total years in school culminating in a PhD program
in Atmospheric Physics, let me say that the poisoned water from a
microwave story is pure paranoid fancy and you should be careful
what you choose to believe.<br>
Joe<br>
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On 9/26/2011 8:31 AM, Gennaro Brooks-Church - Eco Brooklyn wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">Maybe somebody on this list with a microwave can do
the test? Seems like a pretty big deal worth looking into?
<div><br clear="all">
Gennaro Brooks-Church<br>
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Cell: <a href="tel:1%20347%20244%203016" value="+13472443016" target="_blank">1 347 244 3016</a> USA<br>
<a href="http://www.EcoBrooklyn.com/" target="_blank">www.EcoBrooklyn.com</a><br>
22 2nd St; Brooklyn, NY 11231<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:28 AM,
natural building <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:naturalbuilding@shaw.ca" target="_blank">naturalbuilding@shaw.ca</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word">While I make no claims
as to whether the 'microwaved water' story is true or
false.
<div>I do question whether 'Snopes' is the right authority
with which to categorically dismiss it!</div>
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<div>Regards,<br>
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<div>On 2011-09-26, at 8:03 AM, Benjamin Pratt wrote:</div>
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<div>Gennaro,<br>
when I read your message i knew the plant
experiment couldn't be true.<br>
I googled it, and I was right. Here is one link.<br>
<a href="http://www.snopes.com/science/microwave/plants.asp" target="_blank">http://www.snopes.com/science/microwave/plants.asp</a><br>
Ben<br>
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On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Gennaro
Brooks-Church - Eco Brooklyn<br>
<<a href="mailto:info@ecobrooklyn.com" target="_blank">info@ecobrooklyn.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Any thoughts out there
about microwaves and radiation? Also I've seen
those<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">tests where plants watered
with water that was first boiled in a microwave<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">died. I've avoided
microwaves for these reasons.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Gennaro Brooks-Church<br>
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Cell: <a href="tel:1%20347%20244%203016" value="+13472443016" target="_blank">1 347 244
3016</a> USA<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.EcoBrooklyn.com/" target="_blank">www.EcoBrooklyn.com</a><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">22 2nd St; Brooklyn, NY
11231<br>
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On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:23 AM, elitalking
<<a href="mailto:elitalking@rockbridge.net" target="_blank">elitalking@rockbridge.net</a>><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Induction stoves are
great. I learned about them from this list.
My wife<br>
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</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">started out a little
skeptical, but is not a believer. We are
moving<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">towards grid tied
photovoltaic. The most efficient cooking is
microwave. It<br>
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</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite">heats the water first
which is the food. The ceramic or glass
container is<br>
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heated by conduction from the food. We do
not use plastic. However, some<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">foods like stir fried
vegetables, boiled foods or some bread baking
do not<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">work in microwave.
Foods that require a lot of boiling or frying
go to<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
induction stove top. Foods that require
baking go to Brevell Oven. This<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">used a typical heat
element, but it is smaller than typical oven.
The<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite">controls are very
precise for heating temp and time. It is big
enough for<br>
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almost all we cook. The big Thanksgiving
Turkey is the only dinner event it<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">could not handle.
However, we discovered that we cut the Turkey
up and it<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">is able to cook half the
Turkey which is more than enough for our<br>
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</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite">traditionally glutinous
meal. It is the least efficient of three.
However,<br>
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</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">it's smaller size and
superior control makes it far more efficient
than the<br>
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traditional range, gas or electric.<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Benjamin Pratt writes:<br>
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<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">In my case, with a house
that I've tried to tighten-up, but which is<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
still somewhat leaky--I don't exhaust any of
the heat from my gas<br>
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</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite">stove. So it's very
efficient--any energy that does not cook the
food,<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">helps to heat the house.<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">My comment:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><br>
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</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">The inefficient
appliance that produces waste heat is only a
benefit<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">during the heating
season. In the summer it is an additional
liability for<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">comfort or cooling cost
of removing that heat.<br>
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