Hear Hear.<div>It is the constant balance between scientists seeking absolutes so that we can make sense of the world and the universe expanding infinitely.</div><div><br clear="all">Gennaro Brooks-Church<br><br>Cell: 1 347 244 3016 USA<br>
<a href="http://www.EcoBrooklyn.com">www.EcoBrooklyn.com</a><br>22 2nd St; Brooklyn, NY 11231<br><br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:50 PM, natural building <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:naturalbuilding@shaw.ca">naturalbuilding@shaw.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word">I love it when people (usually with lots of letters after their names) come out with categoric statements like: 'This is NOT true'!<div><br></div><div>If all those people had been 'right' the world would still be flat and we'd be feeding Thalidomide to pregnant mothers!</div>
<div><br></div><div>History is saturated with accounts of supposedly intelligent people making claims that are later proved to be wrong. We continue to learn. And if there's one thing that History teaches us (if we aren't too clever to learn) it's that what we THINK is an absolute truth, probably isn't.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Hey, CERN has just discovered that neutrinos might travel faster than the speed of light.</div><div>Damn, another 'absolute' belief going out the window... ! Sorry Albert. Nice try.</div><div><br>
</div><div>In healthy 'disbelief'<br><div><br><div>
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<br><div><div>On 2011-09-26, at 8:49 AM, Joe Killian wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite">

  
    
  
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      Having spent 21 total years in school culminating in a PhD program
    in Atmospheric Physics, let me say that the poisoned water from a
    microwave story is pure paranoid fancy and you should be careful
    what you choose to believe.<br>
      Joe<br>
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    On 9/26/2011 8:31 AM, Gennaro Brooks-Church - Eco Brooklyn wrote:
    <blockquote type="cite">Maybe somebody on this list with a microwave can do
      the test? Seems like a pretty big deal worth looking into?
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        Gennaro Brooks-Church<br>
        <br>
        Cell: <a href="tel:1%20347%20244%203016" value="+13472443016" target="_blank">1 347 244 3016</a> USA<br>
        <a href="http://www.EcoBrooklyn.com/" target="_blank">www.EcoBrooklyn.com</a><br>
        22 2nd St; Brooklyn, NY 11231<br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:28 AM,
          natural building <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:naturalbuilding@shaw.ca" target="_blank">naturalbuilding@shaw.ca</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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            <div style="word-wrap:break-word">While  I make no claims
              as to whether the 'microwaved water' story is true or
              false.
              <div>I do question whether 'Snopes' is the right authority
                with which to categorically dismiss it!</div>
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              <div>Regards,<br>
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                  <div>On 2011-09-26, at 8:03 AM, Benjamin Pratt wrote:</div>
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                    <div>Gennaro,<br>
                      when I read your message i knew the plant
                      experiment couldn't be true.<br>
                      I googled it, and I was right. Here is one link.<br>
                      <a href="http://www.snopes.com/science/microwave/plants.asp" target="_blank">http://www.snopes.com/science/microwave/plants.asp</a><br>
                      Ben<br>
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                      On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Gennaro
                      Brooks-Church - Eco Brooklyn<br>
                      <<a href="mailto:info@ecobrooklyn.com" target="_blank">info@ecobrooklyn.com</a>>
                      wrote:<br>
                      <blockquote type="cite">Any thoughts out there
                        about microwaves and radiation? Also I've seen
                        those<br>
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                      <blockquote type="cite">tests where plants watered
                        with water that was first boiled in a microwave<br>
                      </blockquote>
                      <blockquote type="cite">died. I've avoided
                        microwaves for these reasons.<br>
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                      <blockquote type="cite">Gennaro Brooks-Church<br>
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                        Cell: <a href="tel:1%20347%20244%203016" value="+13472443016" target="_blank">1 347 244
                          3016</a> USA<br>
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                      <blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.EcoBrooklyn.com/" target="_blank">www.EcoBrooklyn.com</a><br>
                      </blockquote>
                      <blockquote type="cite">22 2nd St; Brooklyn, NY
                        11231<br>
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                        On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:23 AM, elitalking
                        <<a href="mailto:elitalking@rockbridge.net" target="_blank">elitalking@rockbridge.net</a>><br>
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                      <blockquote type="cite">wrote:<br>
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                        <blockquote type="cite">Induction stoves are
                          great.  I learned about them from this list.
                           My wife<br>
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                        <blockquote type="cite">started out a little
                          skeptical, but is not a believer.  We are
                          moving<br>
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                        <blockquote type="cite">towards grid tied
                          photovoltaic.  The most efficient cooking is
                          microwave. It<br>
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                        <blockquote type="cite">heats the water first
                          which is the food.  The ceramic or glass
                          container is<br>
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                          heated by conduction from the food.   We do
                          not use plastic.  However, some<br>
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                        <blockquote type="cite">foods like stir fried
                          vegetables, boiled foods or some bread baking
                          do not<br>
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                        <blockquote type="cite">work in microwave.
                           Foods that require a lot of boiling or frying
                          go to<br>
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                          induction stove top.  Foods that require
                          baking go to Brevell Oven.  This<br>
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                        <blockquote type="cite">used a typical heat
                          element, but it is smaller than typical oven.
                           The<br>
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                        <blockquote type="cite">controls are very
                          precise for heating temp and time.  It is big
                          enough for<br>
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                          almost all we cook.  The big Thanksgiving
                          Turkey is the only dinner event it<br>
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                        <blockquote type="cite">could not handle.
                           However, we discovered that we cut the Turkey
                          up and it<br>
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                        <blockquote type="cite">is able to cook half the
                          Turkey which is more than enough for our<br>
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                        <blockquote type="cite">traditionally glutinous
                          meal.  It is the least efficient of three.
                           However,<br>
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                        <blockquote type="cite">it's smaller size and
                          superior control makes it far more efficient
                          than the<br>
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                          traditional range, gas or electric.<br>
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                        <blockquote type="cite">Benjamin Pratt writes:<br>
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                        <blockquote type="cite">In my case, with a house
                          that I've tried to tighten-up, but which is<br>
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                          still somewhat leaky--I don't exhaust any of
                          the heat from my gas<br>
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                        <blockquote type="cite">stove. So it's very
                          efficient--any energy that does not cook the
                          food,<br>
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                        <blockquote type="cite">helps to heat the house.<br>
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                        <blockquote type="cite">My comment:<br>
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                        <blockquote type="cite">The inefficient
                          appliance that produces waste heat is only a
                          benefit<br>
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                        <blockquote type="cite">during the heating
                          season.  In the summer it is an additional
                          liability for<br>
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                        <blockquote type="cite">comfort or cooling cost
                          of removing that heat.<br>
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