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<div>Erin,</div>
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<div>While I would admit that there is a (very small) place for
burning waste, I believe the 'places' you have mentioned are not
them.</div>
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<div>First, there is truly very little "non-recyclable"
waste paper generated in the US. I can vouch for just what I put into
my mixed-paper bin, knowing that it's heading to Marcal in norther NJ
to be made into napkins, toilet paper and paper towels. Having toured
the plant, I can tell you that there's almost nothing I generate that
can't be recycled there. Those few things include my own used toilet
paper (sent to the sewer treatment plant and likely ending up as
sludge or in solution), a few used napkins (which I've gleaned from
others - I don't use paper napkins myself and actually collect the
unused ones off of restaurant tables and recycle them) and some
stickers that are stuck to some plastic labeling that I place into my
plastic bag recycling. Otherwise, what might one consider as
"non-recyclable" paper?? Certainly nothing that would, if we
all recycled to this degree, be seen as interesting to an
incinerator.</div>
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<div>Then, there's wood waste. I can tell you that the only thing that
makes sense is wood waste that might make any sense to burn would be
wood with paint or varnish of some kind on it or wood that has been
engineered with some type of glue. All 'clean' wood could be chipped
and used in compost or mulch, returned to the soil, which is a much
better use than burning it. And as for the wood with the chemical
compounds, bear in mind that burning it means that this stuff likely
enters our atmosphere, to eventually be breathed in by us and other
air-breathing organisms with whom we share this place.</div>
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<div>IMHO, incinerators simply make no sense. For the billions it
takes to build one, we could more effectively and more cheaply educate
the local population to source separate, create municipal collection
that would allow for recycling of multiple streams, etc. In the long
run, this would reduce waste, reduce new extraction, increase recovery
and give people a sense of where there stuff comes from and where it
goes.</div>
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<div>Also the billions spent on incinerators (promoted by GE and
others) would go a long way towards weatherizing existing homes in
these locales to reduce energy consumption - the phoney reason for
which these facilities are built (in actuality, they're built to
make the companies lots and lots of money on contracts with
counties).</div>
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<div>tim keating</div>
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<div>At 3:12 PM -0800 11/29/11, Erin Rasmussen wrote:</div>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>With respect to burning waste to generate
power, it's a lot smarter to say that it depends a lot on the waste
being incinerated, and the way that it is being done. In general
burning municipal waste is in the USA unfeasible, but there are fuels
like waste wood and non-recyclable waste paper that can be burned
cleanly to generate electricity. And like people using wood to
heat their homes in efficient wood stoves, there are ways to burn
clean wastes (wood, some types of crop residues, waste paper) on a
municipal scale and there are places in Europe where they have several
years experience doing just that under much tougher environmental
rules than we have here.</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>For some examples check out the
Gasification Discussion List, and its web site:</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><a
href="http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/"
>http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>Cheers,</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>Erin Rasmussen</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>BioEnergy Discussion List</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>erin@trmiles.com</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite><b>From:</b>
greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org
[mailto:greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org]<b> On Behalf
Of</b> Carmine Vasile<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 21, 2011 4:27 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Reuben Demling; Gennaro Brooks-Church<br>
<b>Cc:</b> GB Forum<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Greenbuilding] Another Green Myth: Garbage
Incinerators Are Green Sources of Energy</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>Reuben & Gennaro: Here's another
Green Myth: Incinerators that generate power by burning trash should
be eligible for state renewable energy subsidies. See Comment #1 below
Re: "<i><b>State PSC delays vote on incinerators</b></i>",
By JENNIFER SMITH (Newsday, 11/18/11):<br>
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<ul>
<li>Had Jennifer Smith and commission members wanting to know
more before deciding Googled "T<i><b>itle V air permit
covanta northport</b></i>" they would have found plenty of
reasons to support the staff recommendations to reject Covanta's
petition -- like the GreenAction Fact Sheet @ <a
href="http://greenaction.org/stanislaus/covantafactsheet.shtml"
>http://greenaction.org/stanislaus/covantafactsheet.shtml</a>, which
states: <b>The Covanta Waste-to-Energy Garbage Incinerator
in Crow's Landing Pollutes Our Air! Stop Toxic Pollution from the
Covanta Garbage Incinerator in Crow's Landing!</b></ul>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>Carmine</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>gfxtechnology.com</blockquote>
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