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<DIV>What the "waste" incinerators really like to see in the can are the high
BTU content petroleum based plastics... just the stuff we need not to be
there that have high value recyclability.</DIV>
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<DIV>Ron</DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=t.keating@rainforestrelief.org
href="mailto:t.keating@rainforestrelief.org">Tim Vireo Keating</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org">Green Building</A> ; <A
title=9watts@gmail.com href="mailto:9watts@gmail.com">'Reuben Demling'</A> ;
<A title=info@ecobrooklyn.com href="mailto:info@ecobrooklyn.com">'Gennaro
Brooks-Church'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 07, 2011 9:40
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Greenbuilding] Another
Green Myth: Garbage Incinerators Are Green Sources of Energy</DIV>
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<DIV>Erin,</DIV>
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<DIV>While I would admit that there is a (very small) place for burning waste,
I believe the 'places' you have mentioned are not them.</DIV>
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<DIV>First, there is truly very little "non-recyclable" waste paper generated
in the US. I can vouch for just what I put into my mixed-paper bin, knowing
that it's heading to Marcal in norther NJ to be made into napkins, toilet
paper and paper towels. Having toured the plant, I can tell you that there's
almost nothing I generate that can't be recycled there. Those few things
include my own used toilet paper (sent to the sewer treatment plant and likely
ending up as sludge or in solution), a few used napkins (which I've gleaned
from others - I don't use paper napkins myself and actually collect the unused
ones off of restaurant tables and recycle them) and some stickers that are
stuck to some plastic labeling that I place into my plastic bag recycling.
Otherwise, what might one consider as "non-recyclable" paper?? Certainly
nothing that would, if we all recycled to this degree, be seen as interesting
to an incinerator.</DIV>
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<DIV>Then, there's wood waste. I can tell you that the only thing that makes
sense is wood waste that might make any sense to burn would be wood with paint
or varnish of some kind on it or wood that has been engineered with some type
of glue. All 'clean' wood could be chipped and used in compost or mulch,
returned to the soil, which is a much better use than burning it. And as for
the wood with the chemical compounds, bear in mind that burning it means that
this stuff likely enters our atmosphere, to eventually be breathed in by us
and other air-breathing organisms with whom we share this place.</DIV>
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<DIV>IMHO, incinerators simply make no sense. For the billions it takes to
build one, we could more effectively and more cheaply educate the local
population to source separate, create municipal collection that would allow
for recycling of multiple streams, etc. In the long run, this would reduce
waste, reduce new extraction, increase recovery and give people a sense of
where there stuff comes from and where it goes.</DIV>
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<DIV>Also the billions spent on incinerators (promoted by GE and others) would
go a long way towards weatherizing existing homes in these locales to reduce
energy consumption - the phoney reason for which these facilities are
built (in actuality, they're built to make the companies lots and lots of
money on contracts with counties).</DIV>
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<DIV>tim keating</DIV>
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<DIV>At 3:12 PM -0800 11/29/11, Erin Rasmussen wrote:</DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite">With respect to burning waste to generate
power, it's a lot smarter to say that it depends a lot on the waste being
incinerated, and the way that it is being done. In general burning
municipal waste is in the USA unfeasible, but there are fuels like waste
wood and non-recyclable waste paper that can be burned cleanly to generate
electricity. And like people using wood to heat their homes in
efficient wood stoves, there are ways to burn clean wastes (wood, some types
of crop residues, waste paper) on a municipal scale and there are places in
Europe where they have several years experience doing just that under much
tougher environmental rules than we have here.</BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite">For some examples check out the Gasification
Discussion List, and its web site:</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite"><A
href="http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/">http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/</A></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite">Cheers,</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite">Erin Rasmussen</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite">BioEnergy Discussion List</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite">erin@trmiles.com</BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite"><B>From:</B>
greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org
[mailto:greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org]<B> On Behalf Of</B>
Carmine Vasile<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, November 21, 2011 4:27
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Reuben Demling; Gennaro Brooks-Church<BR><B>Cc:</B> GB
Forum<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Greenbuilding] Another Green Myth: Garbage
Incinerators Are Green Sources of Energy</BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite">Reuben & Gennaro: Here's another Green
Myth: Incinerators that generate power by burning trash should be eligible
for state renewable energy subsidies. See Comment #1 below Re: "<I><B>State
PSC delays vote on incinerators</B></I>", By JENNIFER SMITH (Newsday,
11/18/11):<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<LI>Had Jennifer Smith and commission members wanting to know more
before deciding Googled "T<I><B>itle V air permit covanta
northport</B></I>" they would have found plenty of reasons to support
the staff recommendations to reject Covanta's petition -- like the
GreenAction Fact Sheet @ <A
href="http://greenaction.org/stanislaus/covantafactsheet.shtml">http://greenaction.org/stanislaus/covantafactsheet.shtml</A>,
which states: <B>The Covanta Waste-to-Energy Garbage Incinerator
in Crow's Landing Pollutes Our Air! Stop Toxic Pollution from the
Covanta Garbage Incinerator in Crow's Landing!</B></LI></UL></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite">Carmine</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite="" type="cite">gfxtechnology.com</BLOCKQUOTE>
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