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    <font face="Arial">I agree Alan,<br>
      and another aspect is also important,<br>
      you don't just need light so the people can see the plants but<br>
      you want to mimic the sun for the plants, so they can grow;<br>
      therefor you need a (mix of) specific light ' color' or
      wavelengths,<br>
      if you get a T 5 with the good light spectrum for plant growth,<br>
    </font>and you dim it let say 50%, whats really left then ?<br>
    50% of the energy consumption/hour, yes, but has it still 50% of
    lumen output?<br>
    And has it still the good color temperature / usefull wavelenghts ?
    (i doubt it)<br>
    Therefor it looks better to switch on & off what you need during
    the day<br>
    ( probably depending on natural solar light influx.<br>
    <br>
    And to for-come the need to install more fixtures ( more $ to work
    & material)<br>
    instead of 5 x 100W with dimmers you may choose 2 x 250W +3 x 50W<br>
    or such a combination.<br>
    <br>
    I don't know the latest on LEDS, can you have 'm with the right
    colortemp to server as grow light,<br>
    apears as some kind of white to people and with enough lumen?<br>
    I found some info but most people don't want to sit in red or other
    colored light:<br>
    <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.ledgrowlights.info/LED-light-wavelengths.php">www.ledgrowlights.info/LED-light-wavelengths.php</a><br>
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    <br>
    A rhetoric question for that client : Is it really green to install
    plants in a cellar or other dark interior,<br>
    and then waste ( ecological) expensive electric energy to keep them
    alive ?<br>
    <br>
    Grts<br>
    Bruno M.<br>
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    Op 20-3-2012 22:22, Alan Abrams schreef:
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      type="cite">the latter--based on the assumption that dimmers
      consume some measurable current...<br>
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      <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Gennaro
        Brooks-Church - Eco Brooklyn <span dir="ltr"><<a
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          RE: mo' fishunt, too, lumen for lumen, one would expect... 
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          <div>Which one is more efficient? The dimming setup or
            the separate fixture/switch setup?</div>
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                <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 4:50
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                    mo' fishunt, too, lumen for lumen, one would
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                        <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at
                          4:45 PM, Gennaro Brooks-Church - Eco Brooklyn
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                            That is a good idea. I think that once you
                            factor in the extra material and labor it
                            would be the same cost though.
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                                  <div>On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 4:38 PM,
                                    Vadurro, Rob, EMNRD <span dir="ltr"><<a
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Many
                                              times the need for
                                              dimmable is really two or
                                              maybe three light levels.
                                              Perhaps you could install
                                              a low light level fixture
                                              arraignment and a bright
                                              one alongside it of LEDs
                                              or T5s on separate
                                              switches.</span></p>
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                                              style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:ARchitxt;color:#1f497d">Rob
                                              Vadurro AIA, LEED AP</span><span
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Brooks-Church
                                                - Eco Brooklyn<br>
                                                <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday,
                                                March 20, 2012 2:19 PM<br>
                                                <b>To:</b> listserv
                                                Green Building new<br>
                                                <b>Subject:</b>
                                                [Greenbuilding] lighting</span></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal">Hello,</p>
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal">My
                                                  company is building an
                                                  interior living wall
                                                  in a low light area. </p>
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal">I
                                                  need to light the span
                                                  - about 40 feet long -
                                                  and they need to be
                                                  dimmable.</p>
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal">I'm
                                                  having a hard time
                                                  finding affordable T5
                                                  dimmable lights. They
                                                  are about $135 each.</p>
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal">I
                                                  can't find LED that
                                                  meet the criteria. </p>
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal">Any
                                                  suggestions? </p>
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                                                  Brooks-Church</p>
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