<font><font face="verdana,sans-serif">thanks Kenn, as I said to RT, we have been using those packs of Warfarin for years now. And while the critters will seek water after eating the contents, which usually takes them back outdoors, we do have some die on the top of our beam, hence the smell. It isn't bad and it's gone in a day or two.<br>
<br>As for the idea of steels pads, I had heard of that solution and tried it where a known entry point and large hole is located. I didn't pound the fine pad I stuck down the hole however, nor did I caulk it. The hold must be an inch in diameter, a virtual many lane highway. In any case the result of my placing the pad without the extra you've suggested, is this solution did not work. I will now try pounding and caulking to the degree possible. In the meantime, I've simply kept packages of the poison in the shed the mice invade. In the house itself, I would love to find the entry points, THAT's the problem.<br>
<br>IOW, I can kill the mice once they've come in, but I would far prefer their entry.<br><br>I would have a cat but I love feeding birds, so that solution is out too. We live in the country btw. I bet we easilyhave a 100 mice in the general vicinity of our numerous buildings, all wanting that shelter, all wanting to make nests out of human belongings and ALL not welcome. We have Bard owls at night too. They, rodents eaters, are most welcome.<br>
<br>Cheers, Sacie<br></font></font><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Kenn Brown <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kenn2536@centurylink.net" target="_blank">kenn2536@centurylink.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">After 42 years in pest control, my advice
if for you to go to the grocery store, get a package of what we in the
business, call toss packs. You can toss the packs near the hidden area
where they live, mice are inquisitive creatures, they will find the packs. These
packs contain a first generation anti-coagulant that breaks down the lining of
their stomach. They will bleed to death, I use them in the kitchen and utility
room of my home; we never smell the dead mice. We buy the anticoagulant by the
small case.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">My suggestion to an Architect would be to
wrap the outside joints of the doors, windows and corners with aluminum sheet
metal, before the tarpaper was applied the exterior, being sure to make entries
of pipes etc, clamped with screw pipe clamps. If you were cold and or <u></u><u></u>Hungary<u></u><u></u>,
you would do as they do, find food and warmth.</span></font><font color="olive" face="Verdana"><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:olive">
After bldg is built, go to the Dollar Store, buy stainless chore pads,
pound them with a hammer and punch into the hole, then caulk. </span></font><font face="Script MT Bold"><span style="font-family:"Script MT Bold"">K</span></font><font color="navy" face="Script MT Bold"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Script MT Bold";color:navy"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Sacie Lambertson<br>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Greenbuilding] Pest
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suggestions for unwanted critters. All of them ingenious.
Unfortunately the powder to detect foot prints won't work in our case.
Our mice enter through some minute hole in our standing seam metal roof, entry
point unknown. They end up inside however, on the top of a large
beam that supports the gable roof of my office. The area between the
edges of the beam and the triangle formed by the gable is large and wide for a
mouse, or in our case a number, including newly birthed ones
occasionally. It is my opinion, since mice are territorial, we may
sometimes have two groups up there along the 14 ft beam. Certainly at
night I can hear them moving around at each end.<br>
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At one end of the beam, probably near where they enter, there is barely
sufficient space to allow us to slip a piece of paper loaded with warfarin onto
the top of the beam. Sort of a mouse banquet. Ingesting Warfarin
causes critters to seek water<font color="olive"><span style="color:olive"> </span></font>so
out they go after they've eaten enough of the bad stuff. For a while I no
longer hear mice scurrying along the beam. Eventually one returns and we
go through the process again. I hate using poison, but it is
effective. Unfortunately mice will sometimes die up there on the beam; I
must then put up with that smell for a few days. <br><div class="im">
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My problem with the whole scenario is the holes they make in the foam ceiling
insulation in order to get inside the house. Holes that I obviously don't
want in our envelope. Once a mouse discovers such a soft easy
to-move-through entry point, they can make a very large hole.<br>
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Cheers, Sacie<br>
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