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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-CA link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Good point on size of household – people don’t often keep in mind how short the time frame on various life models is. Breeders may by a house or set up an apartment (with appliances) and start a family but the likelihood of that arrangement (location, partner, etc.) lasting more than 5 years is slim. For the ones that do there are spikes over 15-20 years in which appliances actually get used to the capacity they are designed for (as well as house size). <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I’ve enjoyed the same house, same partner and same family for 2 decades and the only real appliance concession during that time was plumbing in an extra hot water tank during puberty and the installation of a dual flush toilet – I desperately wanted to increase the house size for a while but fortunately didn’t. The fridge was too small for a while but now with one off to university is just right. I now insist on fridge drawers for clients that can afford them as they are more adaptable and just better design.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I do recommend dishwashers (if you can find one that actually works – and that changes), they are not well designed for the purpose but they are a decent storage area in a kitchen and probably save in therapy costs for your children and tend to make heterosexual relationships work a little better.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org [mailto:greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Reuben Deumling<br><b>Sent:</b> July-22-12 4:22 PM<br><b>To:</b> jfstraube@gmail.com; Green Building<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Greenbuilding] ENERGY STAR Clothes Dryers Program Launch<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 3:08 PM, John Straube <<a href="mailto:jfstraube@gmail.com" target="_blank">jfstraube@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>It is odd to have a discussion on payback when others are saying we should not even consider using clothes driers as it is always dry and sunny outside when they do their laundry!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>I live in a climate with rather little sun and high humidity. We dry our clothes inside on a rack most of the year. <br><br>As for payback, the risk here is to assume the 8 loads/week rates as a reasonable figure, because at those rates it will be easier to imagine paying these machines back. But if you have one load every two weeks, then I suspect you'd never see a payback. And for that matter if you compare the heat pump dryer to the clothesline it would be even more difficult to pay back the extra cost. The majority of US households (and it isn't dramatically different in other industrial nations) are one- and two-person affairs. If we're talking anywhere near 8 loads/week for those households we have bigger issues to worry about.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>