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<FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'>Silly, David. Let the strip do it automatically so you don’t have to worry about manual switching on and off.<BR>
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On 7/30/12 5:15 PM, "David Bergman" <<a href="bergman@cyberg.com">bergman@cyberg.com</a>> wrote:<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'>Yes, those set top boxes are indeed a problem. Ours is dying and therefore in need of replacement. I asked Time Warner (our only available cable source) for an Energy Star rated box -- they are available on the market -- but TWC said they don't have them.<BR>
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I wish there was a way I could deduct my electricity charges on that from our huge monthly TWC bill.<BR>
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(And, yes, we do have it on a plug strip. But remembering to turn it off each time is a frequently lost battle.)<BR>
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At 04:38 PM 7/30/2012, you wrote:<BR>
</SPAN></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'>I can attest to that. A few years ago we got new service that required a set-top box that could not be turned offhitting Power Off didn’t actually turn the thing off (b/c the box wants to keep getting the data feed from the node). Threw a kill-a-watt on there and found each box sucking 40 watts 24/7/365. I calculated that to be costing me about $3.50/mo since we have 3 TVs. I threw a Smart Strip power strip on each set-up, so whenever we turn the TV off, the strip cuts off the peripherals as it they’re being unplugged. When it comes back on it takes about a minute for the box to reboota pain in the rear to be surebut worth it as far as I’m concerned. Talk about vampire load.<BR>
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I believe Energy Star is now unveiling a label for set-top boxes which has the potential to be a huge difference maker. But you’ll need to see if your cable provider has the new boxes and will swap them out.<BR>
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On 7/30/12 3:28 PM, "Michael O'Brien" <<a href="obrien@hevanet.com">obrien@hevanet.com</a> <<a href="obrien@hevanet.htm">obrien@hevanet.htm</a>> > wrote:<BR>
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Hi, David--<BR>
A modern TV is usually integrated into a system that includes a set-top cable box, a recorder (like Tivo), DVD player, a network box (like Apple TV) and maybe a VCR. So I think it makes more sense to determine the total consumption of that " TV ecosystem" to get an accurate picture of current watts and overall efficiency.<BR>
For example, here's an evaluation of wattages of set-top boxes: www.nrdc.org/energy/files/settopboxes.pdf <<a href="http://www.nrdc.org/energy/files/settopboxes.pdf">http://www.nrdc.org/energy/files/settopboxes.pdf</a>> < <a href="http://www.nrdc.org/energy/files/settopboxes.pdf">http://www.nrdc.org/energy/files/settopboxes.pdf</a> <<a href="http://www.nrdc.org/energy/files/settopboxes.pdf">http://www.nrdc.org/energy/files/settopboxes.pdf</a>> > . They can consume more watts than the TV itself.<BR>
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Mike<BR>
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On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:48 AM, David Bergman wrote:<BR>
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Thanks Paul. That's great to hear. I suspect the reports I'd read were written when plasma flat-screens were more prevalent.<BR>
BTW, don't know if you noted that I live on Eldridge Street!<BR>
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At 02:43 PM 7/30/2012, you wrote: Hi David, I haven't been able to confirm this elsewhere, but I've read on one site that "very early tube TVs from the 1950s produced (sic) well over 400 watts" (source: <a href="http://www.ehow.com/info_7795151_hd-tvs-vs-older-tvs.html).Â">http://www.ehow.com/info_7795151_hd-tvs-vs-older-tvs.html).Â</a> < <a href="http://www.ehow.com/info_7795151_hd-tvs-vs-older-tvs.html).%C2%A0">http://www.ehow.com/info_7795151_hd-tvs-vs-older-tvs.html).%C2%A0</a> <<a href="http://www.ehow.com/info_7795151_hd-tvs-vs-older-tvs.html).%C2%A0">http://www.ehow.com/info_7795151_hd-tvs-vs-older-tvs.html).%C2%A0</a>> > Today, a 42-inch Panasonic TC-L42D30 consumes just 91-watts. Hoping for something even better? The LG 47-inch LCD HDTV reportedly consumes just 28-watts (source: <a href="http://www.electronichouse.com/article/lg_display_offering_worlds_most_energy-efficient_47-inch_lcd_hdtv/">http://www.electronichouse.com/article/lg_display_offering_worlds_most_energy-efficient_47-inch_lcd_hdtv/</a> ). Cheers, Paul >I think Jevon's Paradox gets overquoted and >overestimated as an anti-efficiency tactic. While >there's no doubt it exists to a degree, I believe >most studies have shown that the increases in >usage are not larger than the gains in efficiency. > >I know I've read several such articles recently, >but can't put my finger on them. Anyone recall? > >And I think a major exception cited is >televisions, where they've become more >energy-efficient but they've also gotten much >larger. But you can argue that there are two >separate factors at work there. Similarly for refrigerators. > >David >David Bergman RA LEED AP >DAVID BERGMAN ARCHITECT / FIRE & WATER LIGHTING + FURNITURE >architecture . interiors . ecodesign . lighting . furniture >bergman at cyberg.com <<a href="http://cyberg.com">http://cyberg.com</a> > www.cyberg.com <<a href="http://www.cyberg.com/">http://www.cyberg.com/</a>> <<a href="http://www.cyberg.com/">http://www.cyberg.com/</a>> >241 Eldridge Street #3R, New York, NY 10002 >t 212 475 3106 f 212 677 7291 > >author - Sustainable Design: A Critical Guide >blog - www.EcoOptimism.com <<a href="http://www.ecooptimism.com/">http://www.ecooptimism.com/</a>> < <a href="http://www.ecooptimism.com/">http://www.ecooptimism.com/</a> <<a href="http://www.ecooptimism.com/">http://www.ecooptimism.com/</a>> > >adjunct faculty - Parsons The New School for Design > >>Time again to remember Jevon's Paradox: the more >>efficiently something is used, the more we will use. >> >>Clarke Olsen >>clarkeolsendesign.com >>373 route 203 >>Spencertown, NY 12165 >>USA >>518-392-4640 >>colsen at taconic.net <<a href="http://taconic.net">http://taconic.net</a>> Sent from my BlackBerry® PlayBook™ www.blackberry.com <<a href="http://www.blackberry.com/">http://www.blackberry.com/</a>> < <a href="http://www.blackberry.com/">http://www.blackberry.com/</a> <<a href="http://www.blackberry.com/">http://www.blackberry.com/</a>> > _______________________________________________ Greenbuilding mailing list to Send a Message to the list, use the email address <a href="Greenbuilding@bioenergylists.org">Greenbuilding@bioenergylists.org</a> <<a href="Greenbuilding@bioenergylists.htm">Greenbuilding@bioenergylists.htm</a>> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page <a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/greenbuilding_lists.bioenergylists.org">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/greenbuilding_lists.bioenergylists.org</a> David Bergman RA LEED AP <FONT COLOR="#808080">DAVID BERGMAN ARCHITECT / FIRE & WATER LIGHTING + FURNITURE architecture . interiors . </FONT><FONT COLOR="#008080">ecodesign</FONT> <FONT COLOR="#808080"> . lighting . furniture <a href="bergman@cyberg.com">bergman@cyberg.com</a> <<a href="bergman@cyberg.htm">bergman@cyberg.htm</a>> www.cyberg.com <<a href="http://www.cyberg.com/">http://www.cyberg.com/</a>> <<a href="http://www.cyberg.com/">http://www.cyberg.com/</a>> 241 Eldridge Street #3R, New York, NY 10002 t 212 475 3106 f 212 677 7291 <BR>
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