<font><font face="verdana,sans-serif">Honest to Pete Benjamin, your <font>friend doesn't know what he's talking about. Ch<font>icken manure is one of the best kinds of manure to put on a garden, vegetable or flower. No manure smells like anything other than good compost once it is properly composted. (You never put any type of fresh manure on a garden btw; maybe that's what your friend is doing). Google 'chicken manure' for all sorts of info on the subject. <br>
<br>I would love to get a load of it for my gardens.<br><br>Sacie<br></font></font></font></font><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Benjamin Pratt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:benjamin.g.pratt@gmail.com" target="_blank">benjamin.g.pratt@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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I do have a question. My friend, who is an organic farmer, said he<br>
won't use chicken shit because it makes the vegetables taste bad. Is<br>
this possible? If it is, it would make more sense to make fertilizer<br>
more smell-free.<br>
<br>
-Ben<br>
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On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:35 AM, RT <<a href="mailto:archilogic@yahoo.ca" target="_blank">archilogic@yahoo.ca</a>> wrote:<br>
> On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 10:45:39 -0500, Benjamin Pratt<br>
> <<a href="mailto:benjamin.g.pratt@gmail.com" target="_blank">benjamin.g.pratt@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Not sure if this is happening anywhere else, but I'm glad it's<br>
>> happening here. Hope to go pick some up this spring!<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_22367291/from-your-toilet-your-dining-table" target="_blank">http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_22367291/from-your-toilet-your-dining-table</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> Not sure if I like the MinneGrow process or not.<br>
><br>
> My first reaction was to think:<br>
><br>
> "Another example of the Murrican penchant for needless gizmological<br>
> complexification of an otherwise simple, natural process"<br>
><br>
> when I saw that Minnegro heats the humanure up to 1500 degF, previously<br>
> using petro-fuel to do so but modifying the process to use methane<br>
> off-gassed from the humanure to reduce their petro-fuel consumption by 75%.<br>
><br>
> The thoughts going through my mind were:<br>
><br>
> (1) Waste of fuel that could have been directed to other uses, letting<br>
> organisms do the work instead<br>
> (2) Doesn't the heating to 1500 degrees effectively render the material<br>
> lifeless ?<br>
> ie The reason I like to use compost is because it is full of living,<br>
> beneficial bacteria and hopefully many worms. The temperatures in domestic<br>
> compost piles seldom exceed 160 degF, plenty hot enough to kill pathogens<br>
> that might be found in some manures.)<br>
><br>
> Wouldn't pelletised material that has been cooked at 1500 degF result<br>
> in a dead material not all that dissimilar from the synthetic chemical<br>
> fertiliser that creates the type of dead soil that requires perpetual<br>
> additions of chemical supplements in order for plant material to look<br>
> reasonably healthy ?<br>
><br>
> I also remember years ago when the subject of the use of municipal<br>
> bio-solids (aka sewage sludge from municipal treament plants) on farmers'<br>
> fields raised howls of anger from many listmembers from some US states who<br>
> claimed that pharmaceuticals, toxic chemicals from household cleaners, and<br>
> heavy metals (from who knows where) were present in the municipal material<br>
> and was responsible for all sorts of undesirable health issues experienced<br>
> by people living downstream from where the municipal bio-solids were being<br>
> spread on fields.<br>
><br>
> Perhaps those complaints from the old days were what prompted Minnegro to<br>
> heat their product to 1500 degrees ? If so, I would think that it would do<br>
> little to address the issue of heavy metals. Not sure what it would do to<br>
> the toxins from chemicals dumped into the municipal sewage by unthinking<br>
> knuckleheads.<br>
><br>
> Me ? I think that if I were using municipal compost on my vegetable gardens,<br>
> I'd stick to using the stuff that is made from composted yard waste and<br>
> reserve the stuff made from from municipal bio-solids for flowerbeds and<br>
> such-like. Although, if a municipality allows the use of herbicides and<br>
> pesticides on lawns, then I think that I'd forego the use of municipal yard<br>
> waste compost on my vegetable gardens as well.<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> === * ===<br>
> Rob Tom AOD257<br>
> Kanata, Ontario, Canada<br>
><br>
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