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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-CA link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>What self referencing and ultimately disappointing planet are you on? Do you have any concept of relevance or contribution?. Anyway the point is that exterior finishes – fake cem wood, fake cem stone, whatever, are an exterior (somewhat disposable) finish to be separated from an insulating envelope and structure (somewhat less disposable). Personally I don’t consider Oldcastle a leader in providing useful products – just expedient ones.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Greenbuilding [mailto:greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>ErgoDesk<br><b>Sent:</b> March-27-13 8:04 PM<br><b>To:</b> archilogic@chaffyahoo.ca; Green Building<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Greenbuilding] Brick Veneer over Thick Foam<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>How disappointing John, this is a Canadian Company with well heeled parents. An excerpt fron their Web Site... </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#746F6D'>The </span><strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'>SURETOUCH system</span></strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#746F6D'> was developed by </span><a href="http://www.permacon.ca/home.html?lang=en" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#EB4C41;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'>Permacon</span></a><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#746F6D'>, a subsidiary of Oldcastle-CRH. For nearly sixty years, Permacon has led the field in the creation of new masonry finishes and landscaping styles with its innovative concrete products.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#746F6D'>In recognition of this leadership, the parent company (Oldcastle-CRH) located its North American Research & Development Centre at Permacon in Montreal. It is therefore here in Canada that all the group’s new products for the world market are developed. more: </span><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#746F6D'><a href="http://suretouch.ca/index.php?page=about-us">http://suretouch.ca/index.php?page=about-us</a></span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;color:#009900'>Advanced, Super Insulated, Building Systems</span><span style='color:#009900'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://about.me/ergodesk" target="_blank">http://about.me/ergodesk</a> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://www.rebelmouse.com/styrohome/" target="_blank">https://www.rebelmouse.com/styrohome/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'><img border=0 width=96 height=96 id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:~WRD000.jpg" alt="Image removed by sender."></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 5:36 PM, RT <<a href="mailto:archilogic@yahoo.ca" target="_blank">archilogic@yahoo.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Wed, 27 Mar 2013 09:29:00 -0400, Eli Talking <<a href="mailto:elitalking@rockbridge.net" target="_blank">elitalking@rockbridge.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> The brick tie should not be required to penetrate all the way through the 3”-6” foam. My intuitive approach is to treat just like siding by installing furring strips that the brick ties can be mounted to.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>While I think that 3-6" of foam outsulation over a wood-framed stud wall is going overboard and unnecessarily expensive , different stroke for different folks and all.<br><br>I don't think that I'd go the brick ties to wood furring strips route. (Rotting wood if not treated, rotting hardware (unless all $tainle$$ $teel) if using treated wood .<br><br>I think that I'd investigate the possibility of setting up a system of something like those Tee-shaped steel fence posts either on the outside of the foam or embedded in the foam if necessary to which wire brick ties could be hooked .<br><br>It'd be a matter of devising a means to anchor the tops and bottoms of the posts and doing some number crunching to see if the "posts" would need lateral support back to the wood framed wall (perhaps at mid-height) but it'd certainly involve few penetrations of the outsulation than a conventional brick tie system.<br><br>Perhaps the T-bars could also be utilised to deal with the persnickety problem of how to anchor the 6 inch foam outsulation to the wood studs as well without having to use screws that are so pricey that you think abpout getting a pimp to handle them.<br><br>I mention the T-bar shape only because I know that they are cheap like borscht and strong like bool.<br>But perhaps some other shape may prove to be better upon investigation. Those hat channel shapes that are used for road signage may be an option too ?<br><br>Or perhaps the brick veneer itself could be designed to be self-stiffening via geometry so that ties become redundant ?<span style='color:#888888'><br><br><span class=hoenzb>-- </span><br><span class=hoenzb>=== * ===</span><br><span class=hoenzb>Rob Tom AOD257</span><br><span class=hoenzb>Kanata, Ontario, Canada</span><br><br><span class=hoenzb>< A r c h i L o g i c at Y a h o o dot c a ></span><br><span class=hoenzb>(manually winnow the chaff from my edress if you hit "reply")</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Greenbuilding mailing list<br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br><a href="mailto:Greenbuilding@bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">Greenbuilding@bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/greenbuilding_lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/greenbuilding_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>