<html><head></head><body data-blackberry-caret-color="#00a8df" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); line-height: initial;"><div id="BB10_response_div" style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Chomsky once said something to the effect that American intelligence was underrated and pointed to the publics grasp of baseball statistics </div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">We have adopted mpg not mp$</div> <div id="response_div_spacer" style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br style="display:initial"></div> <div id="_signaturePlaceholder" style="font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Rogers network.</div> <table width="100%" style="background-color:white;border-spacing:0px;"> <tbody><tr><td id="_persistentHeaderContainer" colspan="2" style="font-size: initial; text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> <div id="_persistentHeader" style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in; font-family: Tahoma, 'BB Alpha Sans', 'Slate Pro'; font-size: 10pt;"> <div><b>From: </b>jfstraube@gmail.com</div><div><b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, May 22, 2013 17:40</div><div><b>To: </b>greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org; Green Building</div><div><b>Reply To: </b>Green Building</div><div><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Greenbuilding] simple energy-less home</div></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div id="_persistentHeaderEnd" style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(186, 188, 209); border-top-width: 1pt; font-size: initial; text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"></div><br><div id="_originalContent" style=""><div id="BB10_response_div" style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">I am concerned at your tone Sacie. This is not my "take" and you CAN be sure that I am correct. Dollars are not a measure of energy use. And it would seem that on this list of all lists that environmental impact and energy not dollars would be what mattered. </div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">A lack of numeracy and basic science amongst most of the public is IMO a major obstacle to green building. Measuring energy with dollars is a classic example. </div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div> <div id="response_div_spacer" style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br style="display:initial"></div> <div id="_signaturePlaceholder" style="font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. 5197417920 </div> <table width="100%" style="background-color:white;border-spacing:0px;"> <tbody><tr><td id="_persistentHeaderContainer" colspan="2" style="font-size: initial; text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> <div id="_persistentHeader" style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in; font-family: Tahoma, 'BB Alpha Sans', 'Slate Pro'; font-size: 10pt;"> <div><b>From: </b>Sacie Lambertson</div><div><b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, May 22, 2013 20:23</div><div><b>To: </b>Green Building</div><div><b>Reply To: </b>Green Building</div><div><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Greenbuilding] simple energy-less home</div></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div id="_persistentHeaderEnd" style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(186, 188, 209); border-top-width: 1pt; font-size: initial; text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"></div><br><div id="_originalContent" style=""><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Interesting take John. While I'm sure you are correct, most people would not possibly understand any other measurement.<br>
<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Certainly though, point taken. The Kw used on our electrical bill is half the entire bill. And then one has to consider what the kw charge is in each area; we're quite high here out in the country where our coop buys from the big electrical makers.<br>
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Sacie<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 6:56 PM, John Straube <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jfstraube@uwaterloo.ca" target="_blank">jfstraube@uwaterloo.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Using dollars to measure energy is like measuring happiness with dollars. There is some correlation but quite limited. </div>
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I know of a cottage in Ontario that paid more then 30 per month while it's electrical system was torn out eg. it used zero power during that time. </div>
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Kwh or btu or even joules should be used for measuring energy use. </div>
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<div>Cool. I'd like to see numbers, though. When you have PV on the roof, $240 doesn't mean that much (at least to me).
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My family's annual energy bills total $400 of which >half are fixed charges unrelated to usage and I have no PV.
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Very simply designed house in Maine uses little energy to operate:<br>
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