<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Sacie, I agree with you.<div><br><div>The levity and validity of your earlier comment was clear to me.</div><div><br></div><div>In a world over-burdened by crippling debt that holds most people in servitude to the banks, it is very understandable that most people view their world through a monetary lens. While - technically - dollars are not a measure of energy, for the majority of people they offer a useful measurement, particularly when those same people have no idea what a Btu or KW is.</div><div><br></div><div>Perhaps we should measure happiness by blood-endorphin levels? :)</div><div><br></div><div>Sincerely,</div><div>Steve</div><div><br></div><div><div><div>On 2013-05-22, at 7:44 PM, Sacie Lambertson wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">John, with sincere deep apologies, I did not mean to be flippant or disrespectful regarding your remarks. In fact I nearly added to what I originally wrote how grateful I am you have remained a voice on this forum, because anything you say is relevant, knowledgeable and respected by readers. If I was too light in response, I am sorry. I would never question your authority or professionalism and I truly do appreciate what you say, indeed, I generally consider it the last word in the matter.<br>
<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">It also remains true, regardless of its value as a valid assessment, most folks who consume energy do understand the concept of dollars relative to the amount of energy consumed. And therefore appreciate a reduction of money spent when they, for whatever reason, consume less.<br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 7:39 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jfstraube@gmail.com" target="_blank">jfstraube@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style="line-height:initial"><div style="text-align:initial;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:initial;width:100%;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif">I am concerned at your tone Sacie. This is not my "take" and you CAN be sure that I am correct. Dollars are not a measure of energy use. And it would seem that on this list of all lists that environmental impact and energy not dollars would be what mattered. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Interesting take John. While I'm sure you are correct, most people would not possibly understand any other measurement.<br>
<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Certainly though, point taken. The Kw used on our electrical bill is half the entire bill. And then one has to consider what the kw charge is in each area; we're quite high here out in the country where our coop buys from the big electrical makers.<br>
<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">And then some people do measure happiness in dollars (:<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">
Sacie<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 6:56 PM, John Straube <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jfstraube@uwaterloo.ca" target="_blank">jfstraube@uwaterloo.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Using dollars to measure energy is like measuring happiness with dollars. There is some correlation but quite limited. </div>
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I know of a cottage in Ontario that paid more then 30 per month while it's electrical system was torn out eg. it used zero power during that time. </div>
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<div>Cool. I'd like to see numbers, though. When you have PV on the roof, $240 doesn't mean that much (at least to me).
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My family's annual energy bills total $400 of which >half are fixed charges unrelated to usage and I have no PV.
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Very simply designed house in Maine uses little energy to operate:<br>
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