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<FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'>How many people gauge light bulbs by the wattage instead of lumens? Misrepresented and distorted units of measure are an intrusive truth.<BR>
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On 5/22/13 11:36 PM, "JOHN SALMEN" <<a href="terrain@shaw.ca">terrain@shaw.ca</a>> wrote:<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'>Chomsky once said something to the effect that American intelligence was underrated and pointed to the publics grasp of baseball statistics <BR>
We have adopted mpg not mp$<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT SIZE="2"><FONT FACE="Tahoma, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:10pt'> <B>From: </B><a href="jfstraube@gmail.com">jfstraube@gmail.com</a><BR>
<B>Sent: </B>Wednesday, May 22, 2013 17:40<BR>
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I am concerned at your tone Sacie. This is not my "take" and you CAN be sure that I am correct. Dollars are not a measure of energy use. And it would seem that on this list of all lists that environmental impact and energy not dollars would be what mattered. <BR>
A lack of numeracy and basic science amongst most of the public is IMO a major obstacle to green building. Measuring energy with dollars is a classic example. <BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT SIZE="2"><FONT FACE="Tahoma, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:10pt'> <B>From: </B>Sacie Lambertson<BR>
<B>Sent: </B>Wednesday, May 22, 2013 20:23<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT SIZE="2"><FONT FACE="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:10pt'>Interesting take John. While I'm sure you are correct, most people would not possibly understand any other measurement.<BR>
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Certainly though, point taken. The Kw used on our electrical bill is half the entire bill. And then one has to consider what the kw charge is in each area; we're quite high here out in the country where our coop buys from the big electrical makers.<BR>
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And then some people do measure happiness in dollars (:<BR>
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On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 6:56 PM, John Straube <<a href="jfstraube@uwaterloo.ca">jfstraube@uwaterloo.ca</a>> wrote:<BR>
</SPAN></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'>Using dollars to measure energy is like measuring happiness with dollars. There is some correlation but quite limited. <BR>
I know of a cottage in Ontario that paid more then 30 per month while it's electrical system was torn out eg. it used zero power during that time. <BR>
Kwh or btu or even joules should be used for measuring energy use. <BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT SIZE="2"><FONT FACE="Tahoma, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:10pt'><B>From: </B>Reuben Deumling<BR>
<B>Sent: </B>Wednesday, May 22, 2013 18:21<BR>
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Cool. I'd like to see numbers, though. When you have PV on the roof, $240 doesn't mean that much (at least to me). <BR>
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My family's annual energy bills total $400 of which >half are fixed charges unrelated to usage and I have no PV. <BR>
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On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Sacie Lambertson <<a href="sacie.lambertson@gmail.com">sacie.lambertson@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<BR>
</SPAN></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE="2"><FONT FACE="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:10pt'>Very simply designed house in Maine uses little energy to operate:<BR>
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Lots of readers' comments follow.<BR>
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