<div dir="ltr">Ross' points about PH and earthships are partly correct, but completely incorrect for this job. </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div>Gennaro Brooks-Church<br>Director, Eco Brooklyn Inc.<br>
Cell: 1 347 244 3016 USA<br><a href="http://www.EcoBrooklyn.com" target="_blank">www.EcoBrooklyn.com</a><br>22 2nd St; Brooklyn, NY 11231<br></div>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Clarke Olsen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:colsen@fairpoint.net" target="_blank">colsen@fairpoint.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word">True, true; I've always felt that straw-bale was 3D stone soup.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br><div>
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Clarke Olsen<br><a href="http://clarkeolsendesign.com" target="_blank">clarkeolsendesign.com</a><br>373 route 203<br>Spencertown, NY 12165 <br>USA<br><a href="tel:518-392-4640" value="+15183924640" target="_blank">518-392-4640</a><br>
<a href="mailto:colsen@taconic.net" target="_blank">colsen@taconic.net</a><br></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></span>
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<br></font></span><div><div class="im"><div>On Jul 27, 2013, at 10:19 AM, John Salmen wrote:</div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><span style="border-collapse:separate;font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-size:medium"><div lang="EN-CA" link="blue" vlink="purple">
<div><div class="im"><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I liked Ross’s post. In fact I thought it was an extremely well written, well informed critique – I read it twice admiring the writing. I especially liked the comment about bottles, pop cans and tires having risen above the garbage pile in terms of value (also my opinion on cellulose). I also appreciated the humour of the ‘magical effect’ comment as I think the peter pan syndrome has always been an aspect of the alternative building movement. I view that as an accurate critical observation not an opinion. There are a lot of mouldering piles of half completed earthships out there as a testament.<u></u><u></u></span></div>
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<b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: [Greenbuilding] Earthship in New York<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
<br></div></div><div><div class="h5"><div><div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Ross Elliott <<a href="mailto:relliott@homesol.ca" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">relliott@homesol.ca</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div>
<div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Not to rain on your parade Genarro, but "Earthship" and "Passive House" are<br>
rather contradictory terms, at least in New York's climate. The insulation<br>values needed to reach Passive House are a long way off from dirt packed<br>tires, and much as I admire what Mike Reynolds did in New Mexico with<br>
materials that weren't being recycled back then, bottles, pop cans and tires<br>are no longer just garbage. It's a tremendous amount of work to build with<br>tires, some people I know of spent several years just getting the walls up<br>
and then couldn't afford to complete the structure. Some are convinced the<br>thermal mass of Earthships have some magical effect on energy consumption,<br>and that over-glazed sloped south walls don't leak, overheat during the day<br>
and lose heat excessively at night, despite evidence to the contrary. I've<br>been to Taos and stayed in an Earthship, and have read everything Mike<br>Reynolds wrote and watched all the videos, and I respect the creativity in<br>
these homes which certainly should be part of any decent green building<br>project, but I hope that by investigating "Passive House concepts" you'll<br>discover the shortcomings of Earthships in a cold climate. Why not insulated<br>
rammed earth, strawbale, or even super-insulated wood frame construction?<br><br>Solar thermal radiant is barely economically feasible (with a backup system)<br>with a certified Passive House in northern climates, so go with a cold<br>
climate air source heat pump or geothermal, if those are your only choices<br>and you really want a tire house. But if you build a true Passive House, you<br>can heat with a much simpler, cheaper combo DHW system, cool with a ground<br>
loop and night cooling bypass on your ERV and save a fortune on HVAC<br>installation costs. Plus you can add solar thermal to the mix if you like,<br>with an appreciable % of energy boost.<br><br>Ross Elliott LEED-AP, CPHC<br>
Homesol Building Solutions Inc.<br>Almonte, ON<br> <br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></span><div class="im">__________________________________<span style="border-collapse:separate;font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-size:medium"><div lang="EN-CA" link="blue" vlink="purple">
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