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I agree with John. Reading smugness into Ross's tone, Gennaro, must
come from you, not him. Your original email said, "This is a
typical tire packed earthship." It's snippy of you to come back
with "he has no idea what I am building" after first explaining the
home as "typical" after he offered you a general critique that
brings up some very good points.<br>
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Kathleen<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/27/2013 7:19 AM, John Salmen
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liked Ross’s post. In fact I thought it was an extremely
well written, well informed critique – I read it twice
admiring the writing. I especially liked the comment about
bottles, pop cans and tires having risen above the garbage
pile in terms of value (also my opinion on cellulose). I
also appreciated the humour of the ‘magical effect’ comment
as I think the peter pan syndrome has always been an aspect
of the alternative building movement. I view that as an
accurate critical observation not an opinion. There are a
lot of mouldering piles of half completed earthships out
there as a testament. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US"> Greenbuilding
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org">mailto:greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Gennaro Brooks-Church - Eco Brooklyn<br>
<b>Sent:</b> July-26-13 7:11 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Green Building<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Greenbuilding] Earthship in New York<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ross I find your smugness in your opinion
off putting considering you have no idea what I am building.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Gennaro Brooks-Church<br>
Director, Eco Brooklyn Inc.<br>
Cell: 1 347 244 3016 USA<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.EcoBrooklyn.com" target="_blank">www.EcoBrooklyn.com</a><br>
22 2nd St; Brooklyn, NY 11231<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Ross
Elliott <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:relliott@homesol.ca" target="_blank">relliott@homesol.ca</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Not to rain on your parade Genarro, but
"Earthship" and "Passive House" are<br>
rather contradictory terms, at least in New York's
climate. The insulation<br>
values needed to reach Passive House are a long way off
from dirt packed<br>
tires, and much as I admire what Mike Reynolds did in New
Mexico with<br>
materials that weren't being recycled back then, bottles,
pop cans and tires<br>
are no longer just garbage. It's a tremendous amount of
work to build with<br>
tires, some people I know of spent several years just
getting the walls up<br>
and then couldn't afford to complete the structure. Some
are convinced the<br>
thermal mass of Earthships have some magical effect on
energy consumption,<br>
and that over-glazed sloped south walls don't leak,
overheat during the day<br>
and lose heat excessively at night, despite evidence to
the contrary. I've<br>
been to Taos and stayed in an Earthship, and have read
everything Mike<br>
Reynolds wrote and watched all the videos, and I respect
the creativity in<br>
these homes which certainly should be part of any decent
green building<br>
project, but I hope that by investigating "Passive House
concepts" you'll<br>
discover the shortcomings of Earthships in a cold climate.
Why not insulated<br>
rammed earth, strawbale, or even super-insulated wood
frame construction?<br>
<br>
Solar thermal radiant is barely economically feasible
(with a backup system)<br>
with a certified Passive House in northern climates, so go
with a cold<br>
climate air source heat pump or geothermal, if those are
your only choices<br>
and you really want a tire house. But if you build a true
Passive House, you<br>
can heat with a much simpler, cheaper combo DHW system,
cool with a ground<br>
loop and night cooling bypass on your ERV and save a
fortune on HVAC<br>
installation costs. Plus you can add solar thermal to the
mix if you like,<br>
with an appreciable % of energy boost.<br>
<br>
Ross Elliott LEED-AP, CPHC<br>
Homesol Building Solutions Inc.<br>
Almonte, ON<br>
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On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Gennaro Brooks-Church -
Eco Brooklyn <<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:info@ecobrooklyn.com">info@ecobrooklyn.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
> This is a typical tire packed earthship. I am looking
to implement<br>
> Passive House methods and see where we end up. I'd
like to use as much<br>
> salvaged materials as well of course.<br>
> I guess my question is not so related to an Earthship
though. It is<br>
> more one of using solar thermal radiant or Minisplit
PV.<br>
> Matt you raise an excellent point about humidity. For
that reason<br>
> alone it may be worth going with Minisplits.<br>
> The larger question is what is a better use of money
for an East Coast<br>
> building with land, solar thermal, PV or
geothermal....?<br>
><br>
> Gennaro Brooks-Church<br>
> Director, Eco Brooklyn Inc.<br>
> Cell: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:1%20347%20244%203016">1 347 244 3016</a> USA<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.EcoBrooklyn.com" target="_blank">www.EcoBrooklyn.com</a><br>
> 22 2nd St; Brooklyn, NY 11231<br>
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