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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-CA link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Yah what is it with the double jacks. I specified load rated simpson brackets to support the headers and for the inspector it was like declaring war on carpentry. Also I can just imagine what a ‘lightly framed assembly’ means to a carpenter<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Greenbuilding [mailto:greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Alan Abrams<br><b>Sent:</b> November-04-13 5:01 PM<br><b>To:</b> Green Building<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Greenbuilding] Sustainable post and beam construction<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>I've really enjoyed getting back to P&B...since the peeled "vigas" of my adobe days, and some timber framed houses by Bart Prince....my first more recent experience was inspired/validated by Auburn U's entry in the 1st Solar Decathlon (back in the Early Oughts) where they open framed the roof with beautifully crafted and finished PSL's. Took that idea (which had already been percolating) and ran with it. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I like using engineered bolted connectors, because it satisfies the local BO's concern with wind loading. I agree with the point a previous writer mentioned about ease of disassembly; to that I'd add metal fasteners would facilitate repair/replacement/modification.<br><br>lastly, given the contemporary carpenter's predilection for stuffing as much meat into a stud wall as possible (like double jacks for a 3' header, etc) there is thermal logic in attaching a very lightly framed assembly to the outside of an otherwise independent, structural frame.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>-AA<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:25 AM, John Salmen <<a href="mailto:terrain@shaw.ca" target="_blank">terrain@shaw.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>One of the reasons I used to give for making a life of building things is what you describe so nicely as the intimate connection. And that does hold true I feel regardless of the tool and the material and technology. That said part of that history is also one of servitude and selling labour. I’ve seen a lot of pb buildings from the 17-1800’s in north America that are poor examples of the skill – representing more a struggle with tools, materials and time. I’ve been in attics where wedges and pins have worked loose or sheared and joints have failed.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I liked Ken’s comments and the doubts he expressed. Framing with timbers has a place and was the only way I could work with local 60yr old timber. Regardless of whether a connection is achieved through wood or introducing metal it comes down to the physical properties of the wood and the time/complexity/ resources involved in achieving the connection. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>A timber frame though is not a building – it is just a skeleton and my only problem with it is that as new builders get involved with it can produce a certain blind adherence (similar to other building techniques) that can limit all the other knowledge that needs to go into building sustainably. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Greenbuilding [mailto:<a href="mailto:greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Clarke Olsen<br><b>Sent:</b> November-04-13 5:53 AM<br><b>To:</b> Green Building<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Greenbuilding] Sustainable post and beam construction</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>True, as we streamline process, we lose our intimate connection with both the method and the product. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I didn't mean that traditional methods be scrapped, but that newer technologies can be used to our benefit.<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Clarke Olsen<br><a href="http://clarkeolsendesign.com" target="_blank">clarkeolsendesign.com</a><br>373 route 203<br>Spencertown, NY 12165 <br>USA<br>518-392-4640<br><a href="mailto:colsen@taconic.net" target="_blank">colsen@taconic.net</a><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Nov 3, 2013, at 9:38 PM, Reuben Deumling <9watts@<a href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank">gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Clarke Olsen <<a href="mailto:colsen@fairpoint.net" target="_blank">colsen@fairpoint.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Maybe it's time to revise traditional timber frame. A system of bolted connectors,<br>rather then tenons, would reduce both lumber and time, and make alteration easier.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Ah, but where's the fun (history, craftsmanship, beauty) in that?! <br>:-) <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>_______________________________________________<br>Greenbuilding mailing list<br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br><a href="mailto:Greenbuilding@bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">Greenbuilding@bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/greenbuilding_lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/greenbuilding_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br>_______________________________________________<br>Greenbuilding mailing list<br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br><a href="mailto:Greenbuilding@bioenergylists.org">Greenbuilding@bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/greenbuilding_lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/greenbuilding_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <br><span style='color:#660000'>Alan Abrams<b><br></b></span><i><span style='color:#666666'>certified professional building designer, AIBD<br>certified passive house consultant, PHIUS</span></i><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='color:#666666'>certified passive house builder, PHIUS<br></span></i><span style='color:#660000'>Abrams Design Build LLC</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:#660000'><br><i>sustainable design for intentional living</i></span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;color:#666666'><br>cell 202-437-8583<br><a href="mailto:alan@abramsdesignbuild.com" target="_blank"><span style='color:#666666'>alan@abramsdesignbuild.com</span></a><br><a href="http://www.abramsdesignbuild.com/" target="_blank"><span style='color:#666666'>www.abramsdesignbuild.com</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>