<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Thanks Don.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>Interesting! Never heard of advective flow before - I wonder if advective flow is greater than the need for the solute to remain dissolved in the solvent and the diffusion tendencies in the solution. <br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color:
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transparent; font-style: normal;">Thanks again for the feedback, further feed back welcomed of course.<br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>~sanjay<br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span></span></div><div><br></div>
<div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Don Lush <donlush@uniserve.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> 'sanjay jain' <sanjayjainuk@yahoo.co.uk> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, December 1, 2013 9:58 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> RE: [Greenbuilding] Feedback wanted - water treatment process<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv7926200429"><style>#yiv7926200429 #yiv7926200429 --
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#yiv7926200429 </style><div><div class="yiv7926200429WordSection1"><div class="yiv7926200429MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Sanjay- My sense is the problem is more basic than that – even if you had a super large molecule that did not clog the pores it would be carried by advective flow to the ceramic filter and diffusion would not be sufficient to move it back into a uniform concentration in the tube sufficient to maintain the osmotic gradient. Active mixing may get around that or possibly an iron based magnetic salt manipulated to keep concentrations high adjacent to the osmotic membrane and away from the ceramic disc using magnetic fields? </span></div><div class="yiv7926200429MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span></div><div class="yiv7926200429MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">don</span></div><div class="yiv7926200429MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span></div><div
class="yiv7926200429yqt0082023524" id="yiv7926200429yqt75912"><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;"><div class="yiv7926200429MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;" lang="EN-US"> sanjay jain [mailto:sanjayjainuk@yahoo.co.uk] <br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> December-01-13 8:32 PM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> Don Lush; 'Green Building'<br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Greenbuilding] Feedback wanted - water treatment process</span></div></div></div><div class="yiv7926200429MsoNormal"> </div><div><div id="yiv7926200429"><div><div><div class="yiv7926200429MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">Thanks Don,<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I have that concern too. I suspect filters get clogged when the contaminants fit just right in the pores. That's why it takes a little time for filters to clog, otherwise they'd get clogged
very quickly.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I'm hoping that a large difference in size of the dye (or any other solute) molecules will not clog up the pores. Some testing needs to be done to find the right combination of micro-filter (pore size and density) and the right solute that won't cause clogging.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">~sanjay</span></div><div id="yiv7926200429yui_3_13_0_ym1_12_1385945330698_23"><div class="yiv7926200429MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div><div id="yiv7926200429yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1385945330698_17929"><div class="yiv7926200429MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div><div id="yiv7926200429yqt51330"><div id="yiv7926200429yui_3_13_0_ym1_12_1385945330698_28"><div id="yiv7926200429yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1385945330698_17931"><div id="yiv7926200429yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1385945330698_17930"><div class="yiv7926200429MsoNormal"
style="text-align:center;background:white;" align="center"><span style=""></span><hr align="center" size="1" width="100%"></div><div class="yiv7926200429MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> Don Lush <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:donlush@uniserve.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:donlush@uniserve.com">donlush@uniserve.com</a>><br clear="none"><b>To:</b> 'sanjay jain' <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:sanjayjainuk@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank" href="mailto:sanjayjainuk@yahoo.co.uk">sanjayjainuk@yahoo.co.uk</a>>; 'Green Building' <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org">greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>> <br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 1, 2013 8:00 PM<br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> RE:
[Greenbuilding] Feedback wanted - water treatment process</span><span style=""></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7926200429MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div><div id="yiv7926200429"><div><div><div><div class="yiv7926200429MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Sanjay- Any chance the ceramic filter may clog with the blue dye molecules and prevent the water from being expelled? I would suspect that you may get a few mls and then clog up. </span><span style=""></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7926200429MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span><span style=""></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7926200429MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Don</span><span style=""></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7926200429MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span><span
style=""></span></div></div><div id="yiv7926200429yqt24196"><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;"><div><div class="yiv7926200429MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;" lang="EN-US"> Greenbuilding [<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org">mailto:greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>sanjay jain<br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> December-01-13 6:18 PM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> Green Building<br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> [Greenbuilding] Feedback wanted - water treatment process</span><span style=""></span></div></div></div></div><div><div class="yiv7926200429MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div><div><div><div><div
class="yiv7926200429MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">Hi all,</span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv7926200429MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv7926200429MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">Hope everyone had a good holiday. Not sure if attachments are allowed on this list, if the pdf attachment doesn't come through, please take a look at: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://s438261259.onlinehome.us/OMF-Cell-water-treatment.pdf">http://s438261259.onlinehome.us/OMF-Cell-water-treatment.pdf</a></span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv7926200429MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv7926200429MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">Would appreciate feedback - am I missing something here? </span></div></div></div><div><div><div
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