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I used these and loved them. Only complaint was that they were
shiny and produced some glare if the sun hits them right.<br>
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Lynelle<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/18/2014 2:39 PM, Clarke Olsen
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I used a product called Deck Master (I think it was; years have
passed..) which is a a galv. steel profile that
<div>sat on the edge of a joist, separating the deck from the
support. the decking was then screwed from underneath,</div>
<div>which eliminated both the need to pre-drill (my deck is
locust), and the exposure of fasteners, with the accompanying </div>
<div>splitting & rot.</div>
<div>Separating wood members with anything is a step toward
longevity.</div>
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<div>On Feb 18, 2014, at 2:08 PM, Benjamin Pratt <<a
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<div dir="ltr">Speaking of redwood, you all may want to
check out this film.
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:03
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<div
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Re
the question of preservation of new deck, in
our part of the world you <u>never</u> put
gravel at the base of a post. Our ground is
primarily clay which means water that is
collected at the base sits there. Much better
to put the post in the soil alone.<br>
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<div
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Moreover,
the parts underneath, where the wood makes
contact with other wood needs to be protected
or it simply won't last.<br>
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<div
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">So
it depends, no one solution will work for
everyone. Use affordable wood that is
resistant to water and the elements; for us
here in Kansas the best choice is Cypress.
Redwood and Cedar cost too much. We use Hedge
(Osage Orange) for the posts; these will last
far longer than any of us live. I would
build a house on Hedge posts. We use
star-headed, self driving torx screws for
putting it all together.<br>
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<div
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Were
we in the East we might use Black Locust for
the posts.<span class=""><font color="#888888"><br>
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Sacie<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 18,
2014 at 12:38 PM, Reuben Deumling <span
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<div>On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 8:47
AM, John Salmen <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I’m
still convinced the best
treatment for exterior
wood is no treatment -
considering that
untreated wood degrades
from atmosphere at most
about ¼” per century –
and the natural grey is
nice. </span></p>
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<div>That has been my approach to
date. But I ask because upon
closer inspection I'm finding
parts of porches built by me
(15-25 years ago) out of Douglas
fir which evidence some
(serious) rot in places. Not
bugs, just disintegration
initiated by moisture trapped in
cracks. I'm not concerned with
surfaces that are exposed to
sunlight, but the darker places.
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style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Next
on the list is
treatments that oxidize
the surface uniformly
and ‘naturally’. Off the
shelf products include
Lifetime Wood Treatment.
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<div>I'll look into this. Thanks.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Make sure there is
a good air path to all
surfaces</span><br>
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I find that this doesn't work in
all situations, desirable and
sensible though it sounds. <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">and
good separation from
soil (use gravel where
possible as a base)</span></p>
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<div class="gmail_quote">Yes. Done.<br>
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Greenbuilding [mailto:<a
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Reuben
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<b>Sent:</b>
February-17-14 8:04 AM<br>
<b>To:</b>
Greenbuilding<br>
<b>Subject:</b>
[Greenbuilding]
protecting outdoor
wooden structure from
future decay (or at
least delaying it)</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm
in the process of
building a large
outdoor structure
(porch, timber frame
bridge, stairs, etc.)
out of Douglas fir we
milled ourselves. The
decking is cedar which
I'm not worried about,
but the rest I'm
realizing could
probably benefit from
some attempt at
prolonging its useful
life. I despise
pressure treated wood,
and am not interested
in noxious chemicals.
Are there any other
methods? <br>
<br>
Thanks very much.</p>
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