<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue-Light, Helvetica Neue Light, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429654074339_3199"><span style="" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429654074339_4073">></span> There are plenty of steady-state economic economists out there but our
linear growth system doesn’t operate on that premise. All the green
buildings in the world won’t save us from the inevitable limits we’re
already up against. <br style="" class=""></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429654074339_4106" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429654074339_4073"><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429654074339_4112" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429654074339_4073">Thanks Dan,</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429654074339_3454" dir="ltr"><br><span></span></div><div style="" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429654074339_3482" dir="ltr"><span style="" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429654074339_3455">I had not heard of the term Steady State Economics - Found this: <a style="" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429654074339_3458" href="http://steadystate.org/">http://steadystate.org/</a></span> </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429654074339_4069"><span style="" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429654074339_3455"><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429654074339_4070"><span style="" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429654074339_3455">Will be reading more on this. </span><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429654074339_3455">I personally would love to see humanity move towards a <a id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429654074339_3966" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gift_economy">Gift Economy,</a> where people provide goods and services to each other because they want to, not because they have to (or think they have to).</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429654074339_3686" dir="ltr"><br><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429654074339_3455"></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429654074339_3483"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429654074339_3455">~sanjay</span><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429654074339_3374"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429654074339_3373">
<br></div></div><br> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429654074339_3820" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue-Light, Helvetica Neue Light, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429654074339_3819" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429654074339_3818" dir="ltr"> <hr id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429654074339_4097" size="1"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429654074339_4098" face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Antonioli Dan <solardan26@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> sanjay jain <sanjayjainuk@yahoo.co.uk>; Green Building <greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> "Greenbuilding@bioenergylists.org" <Greenbuilding@bioenergylists.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, April 19, 2015 1:17 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Greenbuilding] Staggering 1/2 tonne per person per year cement production!<br> </font> </div> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429654074339_3823" class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv6843956032"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429654074339_3822"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429654074339_3821">There are plenty of steady-state economic economists out there but our linear growth system doesn’t operate on that premise. All the green buildings in the world won’t save us from the inevitable limits we’re already up against. </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429654074339_4099"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429654074339_4101">Dan</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429654074339_4100"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429654074339_4176"><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429654074339_3824"><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yiv6843956032yqt1716696742" id="yiv6843956032yqt68050"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429654074339_4172">On Apr 19, 2015, at 8:28 AM, sanjay jain <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:sanjayjainuk@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank" href="mailto:sanjayjainuk@yahoo.co.uk">sanjayjainuk@yahoo.co.uk</a>> wrote:</div><br class="yiv6843956032Apple-interchange-newline" clear="none"><blockquote id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429654074339_3827" type="cite"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429654074339_3826"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1429654074339_3825" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);font-family:HelveticaNeue-Light, 'Helvetica Neue Light', 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6843956032yui_3_16_0_1_1429455819698_3806">> can ( & will!!) add up to tipping the scales, if we just</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6843956032yui_3_16_0_1_1429455819698_3836">> keep at it for the next few centuries.</div><div id="yiv6843956032yui_3_16_0_1_1429455819698_3807"><div id="yiv6843956032yui_3_16_0_1_1429455819698_3875"> </div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6843956032yui_3_16_0_1_1429455819698_6711">Even under the most optimistic climate models we don't have 1 century let alone a few. Technology is neither the problem or the solution to our current woes. Economics and culture are.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6843956032yui_3_16_0_1_1429455819698_6740"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6843956032yui_3_16_0_1_1429455819698_6741">I recently attended Brooking's "<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" id="yiv6843956032yui_3_16_0_1_1429455819698_6916" target="_blank" href="http://connect.brookings.edu/register-to-attend-achieving-economic-growth">Achieving strong economic growth</a>" there were a lot of smart people, not one asked why we need perpetual economic growth. The underlying assumption is that we need more and more goods and services to be happy.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6843956032yui_3_16_0_1_1429455819698_6990"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6843956032yui_3_16_0_1_1429455819698_7049">We keep innovating to produce more and more food, saying that the poor are hungry, but there are now more obese people on the planet than hungry ones. The issue is distribution. Not to mention that 65 billion (10 billion in the US) land animals are tortured in factory farms each year... <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" id="yiv6843956032yui_3_16_0_1_1429455819698_7532" target="_blank" href="http://www.democracynow.org/2015/4/7/cowspiracy_as_california_faces_drought_film">35% water use in California</a> is for animal agriculture.<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6843956032yui_3_16_0_1_1429455819698_7175"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6843956032yui_3_16_0_1_1429455819698_7174">I encourage folks on this list to promote "think green" as well as "buy green". </div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6843956032yui_3_16_0_1_1429455819698_7590"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv6843956032yui_3_16_0_1_1429455819698_7095">~sanjay<br clear="none"></div><br clear="none">
<br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"> <div id="yiv6843956032yui_3_16_0_1_1429455819698_3950" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue-Light, Helvetica Neue Light, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div id="yiv6843956032yui_3_16_0_1_1429455819698_3949" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div dir="ltr" id="yiv6843956032yui_3_16_0_1_1429455819698_3948"> <hr id="yiv6843956032yui_3_16_0_1_1429455819698_6710" size="1"> <font id="yiv6843956032yui_3_16_0_1_1429455819698_3951" face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Frank Tettemer <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:frank@livingsol.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:frank@livingsol.com">frank@livingsol.com</a>><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Greenbuilding@bioenergylists.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:Greenbuilding@bioenergylists.org">Greenbuilding@bioenergylists.org</a> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, April 16, 2015 4:06 PM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Greenbuilding] Staggering 1/2 tonne per person per year cement production!<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <div class="yiv6843956032y_msg_container"><br clear="none">Getting back to the cement, it is simply staggering. It makes our <br clear="none">individual efforts seem pointless.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">/Could someone tell me who I need to contact to get my 1/2 tonne of <br clear="none">cement? :)/<br clear="none"><br clear="none">~sanjay<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I don't know, either san jay, to whom we must request, in order to <br clear="none">receive our own half ton.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">But I do know that the efforts are, and have been, point-full. These <br clear="none">steady small developments,( in lightening the load on the Planet, in <br clear="none">attempting the Living Building Challenge, in becoming responsible for <br clear="none">your own energy production, repair, and consumption, ) can ( & will!!) <br clear="none">add up to tipping the scales, if we just keep at it for the next few <br clear="none">centuries.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Think back, how 20-30 years ago, solar energy had such a lethargy of <br clear="none">marketing and slow sales, and high expense. Yet now, the accumulated <br clear="none">efforts, of proponents of solar energy as a viable alternative, are now <br clear="none">being viewed as credible. Many people have kept at it, year after year, <br clear="none">until the scales have been tipped, and we'll get to see more and more <br clear="none">villages becoming electrically self sufficient, like in Europe.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I just really would like to view all our green building, natural <br clear="none">building, efforts as that of the-glass-half-full;<br clear="none">quite point-full, well developed thinking, over the past three decades, <br clear="none">and frankly, quite expectant of positive changes,;<br clear="none">rather than to consider our efforts as the-glass-half-empty, as being <br clear="none">point-less.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Opti-Mist-Me,<br clear="none"><br clear="none">-- <br clear="none">Frank Tettemer<br clear="none">Living Sol ~ Building and Design<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.livingsol.com/">www.livingsol.com</a><br clear="none">613 756 3884<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Greenbuilding mailing list<br clear="none">to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Greenbuilding@bioenergylists.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:Greenbuilding@bioenergylists.org">Greenbuilding@bioenergylists.org</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none">to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/greenbuilding_lists.bioenergylists.org">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/greenbuilding_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div> </div> </div> </div></div>_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Greenbuilding mailing list<br clear="none">to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Greenbuilding@bioenergylists.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:Greenbuilding@bioenergylists.org">Greenbuilding@bioenergylists.org</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none">to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br clear="none">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/greenbuilding_lists.bioenergylists.org</blockquote></div></div><br clear="none"></div></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></body></html>