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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">All plumbing connections are inside the
      interior of the house except some drain pipes, most of which are
      close to the ground. (The house was converted to PEX when we did
      reno two years ago on 2 bathrooms and laundry.)  There are two gas
      lines down there, but both are short runs and I don't think there
      are any (or many) connections under the house for those.  I think
      there is one electric line (to a kitchen island), but we're moving
      it, too....it will still be there, but we can at least plan for
      that--maybe put it in some conduit?  Right NOW there is unused
      ductwork down there that we're pulling out in order to do this, so
      it will actually make the crawlspace MORE accessible.<br>
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      --Leslie<br>
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      On 6/12/15 1:36 PM, Benjamin Pratt wrote:<br>
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        <div>the only experience I have with crawl spaces in further
          south than you. But don't you need to leave plumbing and other
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Frank
          Tettemer <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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            You may want to re-consider the idea of foaming the floor in
            a crawl space. My concerns would be that the foam would act
            too well as a vapour barrier, and you may have
            moisture/mildew problems down the road in the crawl space. I
            AM in Canada, so your geographic climate might create
            different problems than here.<br>
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            I always design any neccessary crawl spaces as a definite
            part of the conditioned space of the home. That means
            insulating the walls and the floor of the crawl space, and
            leaving the floor as a vapour-open plane, as well as
            including the crawl space in the heating design. This avoids
            condensation trouble, by keeping the air warm and dry.<br>
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            Frank<br>
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            Living Sol ~ Building and Design<br>
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                On 12/06/2015 2:02 PM, Leslie Moyer wrote:<br>
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                  I am in NE Oklahoma.  I'm in the process of getting
                  estimates for crawlspace insulation in the floor
                  joists--closed cell foam.  My crawl space is dry now
                  that we've fixed some plumbing problems, but I'm
                  having some cupping issues with some wood flooring and
                  part of the fiberglass batts that were originally in
                  the house when we bought it were taken out over time
                  for this and that. Anyway--closed cell foam seems to
                  be the best solution.<br>
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                  The first guy who came this morning wants to quote me
                  1.5" foam, though said he would quote 2" if that's
                  what I really want, saying that would be enough for
                  "Canada".  I understand about the benefits of air
                  sealing, but I was still thinking I would need more
                  inches of foam according to what I've read on R-value
                  & this area.  Thoughts?<br>
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