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<DIV>These are the kind of thoughts I am hoping people taking an honest look at
their carbon footprint will consider. Travel is an area that for some
unknown reason gets a pass among many claiming to be concerned about climate
change. Our aspiration is to be able to calculate honestly the our carbon
footprint to see this among other things in the context of the whole.
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=terrain@shaw.ca
href="mailto:terrain@shaw.ca">John Salmen</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 28, 2016 11:47 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org">'Green Building'</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Greenbuilding] Calculating Carbon
Footprint</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>I
doubt there are many rich folks on this list – by definition being a contributor
could eliminate that demographic. Would be interesting to know what the 1%
footprint would be that we are busy trying to calculate how to compensate for.
The last few decades have been interesting in that is has both globalized our
experience and created a demand to share that – which is both exciting as it
involve both ‘travel’ and ‘appreciation’ which is thrilling - but it also
dissipates the energy and learning that can build in a local environment. It is
frustrating though that our experience locally sometimes doesn’t get appreciated
as much as it does globally.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>As
you grow older you may have a family or an extended family of employees and also
the people provide your materials and food that are based locally. These are the
real relationships that are much more substantial than any visceral experience
in travel. And typically if you are true to those needs you really don’t have
much time left for being much outside your local region.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>Being
inside your local region means you know where to buy your supplies and for food
where to buy your vegetables, where to buy your meat and how to make your budget
work with those choices – because those incomes depend upon your support and
ultimately your income depends upon those relationships. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>I am
not sure if this is germane to the discussion but thought I would throw it in.
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Greenbuilding [mailto:greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>conservation architect<BR><B>Sent:</B> January-27-16 3:39
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Green Building<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Greenbuilding]
Calculating Carbon Footprint<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black">Norbert Senf
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black">According to
the IPCC, there is a 2.3 multiplier on the greenhouse effect of airplance CO2,
from the water vapour emissions into the stratosphere. I have yet to see a
calculator that accounts for this, perhaps because it steps on everyone's toes.
It easily makes air travel the largest contributor, for many of us rich
folks.................N</SPAN><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><EM><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black">My
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<P class=MsoNormal><EM><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black">This is
good to know. Do you have a source for that IPCC discernment? Since
we are measuring co2 or it’s heat trapping equivalent co2 for methane, I would
want to use the 2.3 factor if I can find convincing documentation. Among
sicientist, the IPCC has a reputation of being conservative in their projections
in order to reach consensus. Our main purpose in promoting this exercise
is to get us to gain awareness of our impact to motivate improvements.
Getting people to look at the impact of very popular air travel is
important.</SPAN></EM><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black">
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<P class=MsoNormal><EM><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black">I want to
include food, because that is another important measurable co2 emissions.
I particularly want to see the impact of packaging, distance, and different food
types. Entering in item by item with online food calculator would give the
best result. However, the tedium of doing this may prevent many from
participating. Therefore, an easier metric would increase participation
with a loss of accuracy. I am going to try tracking our grocery purchases
to see if I can learn my food carbon footprint. My vegan daughter as well
as some on this list have claimed that a meet diet has as much or more impact
than airline travel. I am doubtful about that discernment. However,
it would be interesting to see if this is true by the numbers. I do agree
that meat from feedlot, particularly beef does have a high carbon
footprint. Some of this is the fossil fuels used. In the case of
beef it also includes the methane they burp as part of their normal
digestion. </SPAN></EM><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black">Mike O'Brien
wrote:</SPAN><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black">I don't try to
include food and consumables, too vague at this point. Above is a good
start.</SPAN><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><EM><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black">My
comment:</SPAN></EM><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><EM><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black">I think
that tracking the information that is accurate such as quantity of gasoline or
electricity should be separate from embodied energy in consumables where the
metric by the calculators is less apparent.</SPAN></EM><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black">Bob Waldrop
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black">One issue I run
in to when calculating carbon emissions is that we heat with passive solar and
wood. Our household of 4 buys electricity generated by wind (about 11,000
kwh/yr for everything -- hot water, summer AC, entertainment, lights, computers,
etc). We use a small amount (5 gallons) of propane each month as cooking
fuel. <BR><BR>What's the goal we should be shooting for? i.e. is
there a "Kyoto Protocol allowance" per household or per capita?<BR><BR>One thing
we don't do is fly. Nobody in our household has flown anywhere for years
and we've pretty much stopped long distance road trips too. I sometimes go
to Tulsa or to my hometown in southwest Oklahoma, so we are operating in about a
130 mile radius of our home. One car for 3 adults, 1 kid. Kid gets
to walk to school every day. We seem to be losing the desire to travel,
lol. I wrote a friend of mine who is a cloistered Benedictine monk about
that and he replied, "This increased stability in your life is a sign of
increased sanity."</SPAN><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><EM><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black">My
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<P class=MsoNormal><EM><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black">Your
practice appear very mindful of an aspiration to live sustainably. Getting
your choices to become a trend is key for addressing climate change.
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<P class=MsoNormal><EM><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black">I think
travel is a big component of the American lifestyle. I am often surprised
when individuals claiming passionate concern about climate change commonly
telling of the trip to China, Africa, Europe, sometimes multiple times or
annually. That is why asking them to tract the impact will give them
more information that we hope would inform them of their impact and motivate
ethics driven modifications. The key if for them to identify their own
impact.</SPAN></EM><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><EM><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black">Thanks for
the imput. I am glad to know the list still gains some attention.
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