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    <p>I am in the process of installing 3kW of PV  which will inter
      alia be connected to a fairly new electric storage heater. I can
      hardly claim it to be my own idea, but it is my own money.   The
      heater takes 4.6kWh/day of electricity @ about 10c/kWh off the
      grid, which is about 65% of the total demand, the rest coming from
      a grey water heat exchanger.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 23/04/2016 1:51 PM, Antonioli Dan
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      <div>So where are the numbers?</div>
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      <div>Are you willing to invest in your own ideas, spend your own
        money? Report back?</div>
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        <div>On Apr 22, 2016, at 8:45 PM, Nick Pyner <<a
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            <p>Ah, now that IS interesting. Because the NSW
              certification rated heatpump highly, I assumed  the
              testing was all done. I'm sure this is true from a simple
              energy standpoint, a COP is a COP, but that is all the
              energy certification is interested in, and it doesn't
              reflect the bigger picture.  The controversy I alluded to
              has been brewing for some time and it all hit the fan with
              with the release of a Regulatory Impact Statement in 2013.</p>
            <p><a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.energyrating.gov.au/document/consultation-regulation-impact-statement-heat-pump-water-heaters">http://www.energyrating.gov.au/document/consultation-regulation-impact-statement-heat-pump-water-heaters</a></p>
            <p>and background</p>
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href="http://yourenergysavings.gov.au/energy/hot-water/heat-pump-hot-water">http://yourenergysavings.gov.au/energy/hot-water/heat-pump-hot-water</a></p>
            <p>The certification work I do is a minimum standard. I have
              never needed to call for heat pump. If PV goes in, a
              plain-vanilla storage heater more than suffices.  I was
              looking into heat pumps on a job but I found the
              manufacturer excluded alpine areas over 1000m, and there's
              me, you guessed it, working on a ski lodge at 1700m.  I
              subsequently found that Rheem make no such distinction and
              claim(ed) their included resistance heater was unique. Not
              true, Bosch have one too.</p>
            <p>I can't see why you would ever programme a heat pump to
              use electric only. It is only there for backup and should
              not require human intervention.<br>
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            <p>The game seems pretty shambolic.</p>
            <p>Nick Pyner</p>
            <p>Dee Why Beach   NSW<br>
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            <p>On 23/04/2016 1:34 AM, Antonioli Dan wrote:<br>
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              <div> I’m looking into hybrid models that allow you to
                program the tanks to run on heat-pump only, electric
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              <div>But with heat pumps now all the rage what I’m looking
                for are solid numbers, not hypothetical calculations.<br>
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                <div>On Apr 21, 2016, at 9:32 PM, Nick Pyner <<a
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                  <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Indeed I have. 
                    I was unsure about raising them because of climate
                    considerations, but the essential principle is the
                    same anyway.<br>
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