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<p>I wondered that too, particularly as I believe Nick Pine has been
spruiking a hell of a lot of numbers lately, but he clearly quoted
me at the bottom of his post.<br>
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Nick Pyner<br>
<br>
Dee Why Beach NSW<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 24/04/2016 2:57 AM, Stephen wrote:<br>
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New Roman";color:#1F497D">I think he was referring to
Nick Pine!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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New Roman";color:windowtext"> Greenbuilding
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org">mailto:greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Nick Pyner<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, April 23, 2016 12:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org">greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Greenbuilding] Heat pump HWS<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin-left:.5in">Hi Bob<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in">There is nothing particularly
detailed about my figures and there is not much in the way of
calculation! It is all simply an extension of about fifteen
years of work with grey water heat exchangers. I have a
standard Rheem electric storage heater with its own exclusive
kWh and water meters. The heat exchanger works with a
Maddalena heat meter which gives a daily output in kWh and
total water flow. The testing arrangement is not ideal but I
do know <u>exactly</u> what is going on!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in">I think it is a big mistake to try
to plan for "just enough panels" for your HWS. You are bound
to get it wrong, and your wife will be far from impressed.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in">The reason why I am looking at 3kW
of panels is because that is all that will fit in a single
group on a north-facing roof. That's real planning for you -
architecture and environment, not numbers. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in">The 3kW means I only need about 1.5
hrs of peak power equivalent, so I can be reasonably confident
of getting that regularly, particularly as the roof is pretty
ideally pitched at 45 degrees. It was actually built to take a
(gasp!) solar thermal HWS, but that never happened. For all
that, I don't think the HWS is so important since, if it was
not on solar, it would be getting power off-peak after 10pm.
Far more important is the stuff that has unavoidable daytime
demand - the fridge, the stove, and winter space heating. If
you want to do some serious planning, that is the place to
look. All I have done there is confirm that the energy label
on the back of the fridge was correct on an annual basis, and
all that really meant was that getting a new one is not such a
high priority. Your power bills should tell you all you need
to know.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in">Nick Pyner<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in">Dee Why Beach NSW<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p style="margin-left:.5in">Helpful to understand how you
arrived at these numbers?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in">I am interested in starting out my
PV system with just enough panels to power my new energy
efficient whirlpool hot water tank. T<o:p></o:p></p>
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