<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi, Don—<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If memory serves, Canadian energy consultants can use the HOT 2000 software to do the calcs, and in my experience that is the easy part. You could save some time and money by doing the house measurements and orientations yourself, so the consultant just has to plug the numbers in. Natural Resources Canada has a listing of local consultants for exisitng homes on their web site.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Mike O'Brien</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><div class="">On Jun 14, 2016, at 1:13 PM, Don Lush <<a href="mailto:donlush@uniserve.com" class="">donlush@uniserve.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica-Light; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Does anyone on the list know of someone who can do energy calculations for an as built that can help us pass a final building inspection.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">We have been building just north of Toronto (Orangeville area) and just had our final inspection. To get the building permit in 2010 we had an energy calculation done and it specified we needed 75,000 BTU/h. I suspect that the calculations were for a house built to code. We did not build to code but rather followed a lot of good advice in building the house from people on this site ranging from an ideal site orientation, triple glazed tuned windows, persist building envelope, tight (<0.3 ach) etc.). Everything is passed but for the HVAC calculations and the only thing is that we do not have the 75000 BTU/h heating specified in the permit. I have installed 2 Fujitsu 12 RLS mini splits (14,000 BTU heating ea.) and this is more than adequate and keeps the house at 20-22<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><sup class="">0</sup>C throughout the winter. I added an additional Mitsubishi mini split (18 NAH) (20,000 BTU/h this spring as both a backup system and to try and keep the inspector happy.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">He was very sympathetic and also recognized that I do not need more heat but rather an as built calculation by a certified person taking into account the as built specifications that shows that the 48,000 BTU/h installed capacity is sufficient.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">In summary does anyone know someone who can do these calculations in the area suitable for meeting inspection needs?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Thanks Don<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><a name="_MailEndCompose" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></a></div><span class=""></span><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Greenbuilding [<a href="mailto:greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailto:greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>John Straube<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>May 9, 2016 7:08 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Green Building <<a href="mailto:greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Greenbuilding] Windows<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Lucida Sans', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">While some wood and some wood windows last, many do not. This is the reason people switched. They wanted painted wood, and that required maintainence. For every 100 yr wood window there is one that rotted at 50. With new wood, they can fail in 20. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Lucida Sans', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">The key is to protect the wood window through smart detailing (building overhangs, recessed windows, drip caps, steep sloped sill with drip kerf etc etc). Then hope you can find some slow growth cedar or maybe heat treated wood to get the better material.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Lucida Sans', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">It is not just “spec wood and it will last 100 years”. It is more like “study wood, understand windows and buldings, choose the best materials and the best designs and you should get 50 yrs, maybe more”.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Lucida Sans', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Lucida Sans', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Lucida Sans', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Lucida Sans', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Lucida Sans', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">John Straube | Ph.D, P.Eng.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></b></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Lucida Sans', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Associate Professor<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Lucida Sans', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Civil and Environmental Engineering / School of Architecture<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Lucida Sans', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">University of Waterloo<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Lucida Sans', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">CPH-2373H<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Lucida Sans', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Greenbuilding [</span><a href="mailto:greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">mailto:greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Michael O'Brien<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>May 9, 2016 15:50<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Green Building <</span><a href="mailto:greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Greenbuilding] Windows<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Hi, Reuben--<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Many things to like about wood windows, but what about weather exposure? Don't they need some cladding or coating to withstand UV and water?<br class=""><br class="">Best, Mike<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Sent from my iPhone<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><br class="">On May 9, 2016, at 12:16 PM, Reuben Deumling <<a href="mailto:9watts@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">9watts@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Windows have become for me a central, fraught issue when it comes to buildings. I've met several wood window makers who have a local (and by default historical/restoration) focus and who prefer single pane. It took me a number of years and lots of experimenting to come around to their preference for single pane/antipathy to double pane. To date I have sourced my storm windows from the same window makers.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">We are engulfed by a tidal wave of window<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">upgrades<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></i>where (typically) original double hung single pane wood windows are yanked out and tossed into the dumpster, replaced by vinyl crap. Energy authorities love this, and most people who do this assume they are doing the right thing, in large part because almost no one objects, disagrees, or points to viable alternatives.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Aesthetically, philosophically, environmentally, even economically, a set of handmade wood windows are hard to beat.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Sacie Lambertson <<a href="mailto:sacie.lambertson@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">sacie.lambertson@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1pt; padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin: 5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">Me too. I'm interested in finding some very good triple glazed windows. Would appreciate Reuben's info as well. Where do your storms come from Reuben? Interesting what you suggest about thermopanes. Wonder if there is some consensus on this?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">Stephen T. from Thermotech used to post regularly on this forum.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">I checked out 'best' windows and found, while T. are considered very good windows, their service is not good, or wasn't for the number of people who posted such. They are definitely still around.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">John Straube mentioned a C. manufacturer out of his West but in contacting them they didn't look like a good fit for our Mid West (Kansas). <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">I'm also looking for someone who can rebuild good old old windows. Close to Kansas City.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(136, 136, 136);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(136, 136, 136);" class="">Sacie<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Lynelle Hamilton <<a href="mailto:lynelle@lahamilton.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">lynelle@lahamilton.com</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1pt; padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin: 5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Hi Folks,</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Am looking for windows for the new part of the house. I'd used Thermotech (Ottawa) last time, but don't know if they are still around. The house faces NW, onto a lake, so efficiency is important. As always, I want the best for the best price. What have folks used and like?</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Thanks in advance!</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><br class="">Lynelle Hamilton</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="1" cellspacing="5" cellpadding="0" style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(170, 171, 182); border-top-width: 1pt;"><tbody class=""><tr class=""><td width="55" style="width: 41.25pt; border: none; padding: 9.75pt 0.75pt 0.75pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><a href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient" target="_blank" style="color: purple; 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