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<p><font face="Arial">Thanks, John for your comments. The cabin will
be my permanent home. Waterloo biofilter has been mentioned, but
I know little of it, so appreciate the information. I've had a
single composting unit and know that they need regular tending.
I don't mind the tending, but the lot is small, so disposal
would be an issue. I sit 100 feet from the water, so have to be
really mindful of what I do and its impact. <br>
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<p><font face="Arial">In terms of the township, I sense reluctance
to suggest anything, I suppose due to some fear that they'd be
responsible for recommending...it's more of a "bring your plans
and we'll say yea or nay". Local installers advocate the raised
bed, but seems mostly because it's "traditionaL."</font></p>
<p><font face="Arial">Lynelle<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Being
in Ontario I would recommend a waterloo biofilter especially
for what sounds more like a house than a cabin - but there
would be some minimal energy involved. Probably a holding
tank and solar pump would work in terms of engineering if
energy is a concern. I trust that product as I have worked
with it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">I’ve
designed a few composting systems when forced to - and they
are essentially polluting unless its a closed system that
can denitrify urine and that gets complex. For a house
system they literally stink unless venting is really well
developed and paid for and then even then...essentially I
don’t like them as I don’t trust homeowners to make them
work over time which is not a criticism – no one wants to
deal with shit which is why we have municipal authorities
and pay them well.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Composting
systems still have a somewhat reduced end product that still
has to find a resting place. If you had a farm that you
intended to farm for a 1000 years or so yes I could see
wanting to maintain the nutrients in some well considered
system though you would need to indenture your progeny for
900 and something plus years. Other than that you need a
simple plan that can deal with the waste of 3 bedroom home
for a generation or so.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Perhaps
there is a local composting system you could tie into for a
pump and dump. 50’s technology but ironically it puts the
‘load’ on municipal gov’t to protect environment and make
the best use of the nutrients. Watersheds are critical
protection areas and a lot of thought has gone into that in
local gov’t these days. Perhaps you could ask them as to
what the best plan might be for your area.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
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lang="EN-US"> Greenbuilding
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org">mailto:greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Lynelle Hamilton<br>
<b>Sent:</b> July-20-16 8:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Green Building<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Greenbuilding] Septic for high
water table area<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Hi
Sharon,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> Hydro
went out and ditched the internet when I was sending a
reply. I apologise if this is a duplicate post.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Thanks
for the post and link.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">I
had a peat pot system (an EcoFlo) some years ago, but the
appear to have disappeared from the scene here in central
Ontario. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">I'm
considering a composting system, but if I use one, want a
whole house system. This is a bit of a challenge in a home
with insulated slab on grade construction. I'm toying with
the idea of a small crawl space area to hold the composter
unit, as well as some other utilities, though.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Lynelle</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2016-07-20 11:13 PM, Sharon D. Moran
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre>Hello Lynelle, <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>I have heard about alternative onsite septic systems that use peat moss, <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>and that approach may not always require a raised bed. <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Here in upstate NY, the company Bord Na Mona (see link below) has made some installations on small-lot, lakeside cottages.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Since you mentioned wanting to be as low tech as possible, <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>you might consider whether you would be comfortable with a dry toilet approach in the cottage, and if so, <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>then your wastewater focus would only need to be greywater, rather than blackwater (thereby simplifying matters a bit).<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>While many local governments can be skeptical about alternative approaches, making it harder for innovators, <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>other local governments do tons of research and provide lots of information, and this has to be one of the best out there - Massachusetts' Barnstable County: <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.barnstablecountyhealth.org/resources/publications/compendium-of-information-on-alternative-onsite-septic-system-technology/peat-filter-septic-systems">http://www.barnstablecountyhealth.org/resources/publications/compendium-of-information-on-alternative-onsite-septic-system-technology/peat-filter-septic-systems</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>-Sharon<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>From: Greenbuilding [<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org">greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>] on behalf of Lynelle Hamilton [<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:lynelle@lahamilton.com">lynelle@lahamilton.com</a>]<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 10:37 PM<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>To: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org">greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Subject: [Greenbuilding] Septic for high water table area<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Hello all,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>I'm extensively renovating a 700 sq ft cottage and will add square footage in the process. This will require replacing the septic bed as it: a) was constructed during the Defenbaker years; b) is insufficient for what will be a 3 bedroom 2.5 bath home; and c)is downright ugly and will render unusable a large chunk of a small lot.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>I'm on Lake Simcoe and the the water table is high. I've been told that "everyone" has to install a raised bed, but a number of the updated homes (including those that have added square footage) don't have one. Are there alternatives to raised bed systems that will be as low tech as possible (e.g. eliminating the need for a pump/processing system that requires electricity and/or constatn monitoring.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>I'd appreciate any thoughts folks have to offer!<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Lynelle<o:p></o:p></pre>
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