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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Gill Sans MT">For true! at minus 20C
this option is at least somewhat warmer, to boot!</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Gill Sans MT">Thanks again. </font></font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-07-11 6:37 PM, John Salmen
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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my experience tradespeople in Canada are extremely regular
(why else is tim Horton’s so popular) and also in the
country tend to urinate on anything that either needs
watering or doesn’t move (truck tires seem popular).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
lang="EN-US"> Lynelle Hamilton
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:lynelle@lahamilton.com">mailto:lynelle@lahamilton.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 11, 2017 3:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> John Salmen<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Greenbuilding] Composting Toilet<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>Hi John, <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Actually, I DO like it, although I don't know if the
tradespeople will. My daughter and I made something similar
for their camping trips (4 girls under 9 mean a lot of trips
to the loo at night). <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Thanks!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Lynelle<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2017-07-11 6:19 PM, John Salmen wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Your
not going to like this suggestion – all I can say is they
are cheap, the technology works extremely well for
composting - and as a reference I had a very motivated
vegan client in Portland (ad Dr. no less) who used these
in all of the bathrooms of his turn of the century house.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><a
href="http://www.appropedia.org/How_to_make_and_use_a_sawdust_toilet"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.appropedia.org/How_to_make_and_use_a_sawdust_toilet</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">this
plan is decent and works surprisingly well – no bins to
empty – but I would spend a little mental energy on
drilling out and attaching some venting (computer fan
works well).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">I
designed and built quite a few toilet systems decades ago.
Not an easy thing if you are trying to make everything
work. It is difficult to make a vented, liquid tight
system – which is why commercial composting toilets are
basically useless. If they deal with liquid they use heat
– baked poop. I did design a very nice toilet for a client
that circulated liquid as a spray that both denitrifies
and allows for some evaporation (it was a handpump –
similar to a flush handle and children especially enjoyed
that feature). This was a permanent installation that is
still in use 20 years later but was expensive. The venting
was complex but was essentially a well designed chimney.
It was a flip system (2 containers – each lasted one year
allowing the previous years collection to be emptied after
a year – a dry compost at that point).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Ironically
I think the bucket system is the best. Like a large dog
poop bag – but with better followup.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">For
the 5 gal. bucket toilet - Swap the buckets out as soon as
you want to – buy as many buckets as you need. Seal with
lids (leaving the vent hole open) and date the buckets –
leave them for 1 year or so and then use as a tree
fertilizer – can give them a shake every now and then but
mouldering is effective.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:black">J</span><span
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john</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
lang="EN-US"> Greenbuilding [<a
href="mailto:greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Lynelle Hamilton<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 11, 2017 2:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Green Building<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Greenbuilding] Composting Toilet</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Gill Sans
MT , sans-serif","serif"">Hi All, </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Gill Sans
MT , sans-serif","serif"">Has anyone had
any experience with self-contained composting toilets? I
am putting one in my temporary living space, while I
build. I may leave the unit in the structure afterward.
I'd prefer one that does not require specialized venting
parts (some do) and that does not require a drain to send
liquids to the outside, but will consider one if the unit
is clearly a better choice. I've looked at Sun-Mar, Excel
and one from Sutherland Ontario, but have no idea which
models perform well. It's for one person. Cost, of course,
is a factor!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Gill Sans
MT , sans-serif","serif"">Many thanks!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Gill Sans
MT , sans-serif","serif"">Lynelle</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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