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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Gill Sans MT">Thanks, Dan, for the
info and reference. I've got a small, somewhat urban lot, so
will have to figure out where to compost, but I think I'm
checking out the local builder's supply for "decor appropriate"
coloured pails! As a guide, how many pail fulls would you fill
in a month? A good guestimate is better than I'd come up
with.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Gill Sans MT">Lynelle</font></font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-07-11 6:41 PM, Antonioli Dan
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<div>We use the bucket system and have three “humanure haciendas”
on the land. John Jenkins “Humanure Handbook” is an amazing
read….you’ll learn more about bacteria in this book than in
college biology!</div>
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<div>We use five gallon buckets and then transfer the contents to
used plastic pickle barrels. We date the barrels and let the
contents sit in them for a year. During the dry season they lids
are off, when it rains the lids are on. We sometimes add red
wrigglers and bokashi to help break things down. </div>
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<div>Because we have the space, we empty the pickle barrels and
let the humanure further biodegrade for 6-12 months. We then use
it on non-edible landscaping. </div>
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<div>The pickle barrels can be a bit unruly, and we only fill them
slightly above half-way so they’re not too heavy. You can also
empty the contents into a well mulched pile and keep adding
organic matter. If you don’t have a structure over it you can
tarp it with a vinyl tarp during the rainy season. The pile we
form is a ways away from the haciendas and we don’t want to have
to carry the bucket that far every time we empty it. We just
hosted a large workshop and it was convenient to have the pickle
barrels next to the haciendas. We use sawdust when we have it,
but since we ran out we’ve been using finely ground mulch we
make with the mulcher, which seems to be better because it’s not
only fine woody material that curbs the order, but it has more
biodiversity to it and increases the metabolic processing. </div>
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<div>Cheap, convenient, no moving parts other than your arms and
legs. Just takes a little getting used to if you’re not familiar
with it. Definitely WAY better than many of the disgusting
outhouses I’ve used, as well as the portapotties that get dirty
and stink to high heaven!</div>
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<div>Laytonville Ecovillage</div>
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<div>On Jul 11, 2017, at 3:19 PM, John Salmen <<a
href="mailto:terrain@shaw.ca" moz-do-not-send="true">terrain@shaw.ca</a>>
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font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: rgb(0, 0,
102);"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;">Your not going to like this
suggestion – all I can say is they are cheap, the
technology works extremely well for composting - and
as a reference I had a very motivated vegan client in
Portland (ad Dr. no less) who used these in all of the
bathrooms of his turn of the century house.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: rgb(0, 0,
102);"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;"><a
href="http://www.appropedia.org/How_to_make_and_use_a_sawdust_toilet"
style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.appropedia.org/How_to_make_and_use_a_sawdust_toilet</a><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: rgb(0, 0,
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Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: rgb(0, 0,
102);"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;">this plan is decent and works
surprisingly well – no bins to empty – but I would
spend a little mental energy on drilling out and
attaching some venting (computer fan works well).<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: rgb(0, 0,
102);"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: rgb(0, 0,
102);"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;">I designed and built quite a few
toilet systems decades ago. Not an easy thing if you
are trying to make everything work. It is difficult to
make a vented, liquid tight system – which is why
commercial composting toilets are basically useless.
If they deal with liquid they use heat – baked poop. I
did design a very nice toilet for a client that
circulated liquid as a spray that both denitrifies and
allows for some evaporation (it was a handpump –
similar to a flush handle and children especially
enjoyed that feature). This was a permanent
installation that is still in use 20 years later but
was expensive. The venting was complex but was
essentially a well designed chimney. It was a flip
system (2 containers – each lasted one year allowing
the previous years collection to be emptied after a
year – a dry compost at that point).<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: rgb(0, 0,
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font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: rgb(0, 0,
102);"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;">Ironically I think the bucket
system is the best. Like a large dog poop bag – but
with better followup.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: rgb(0, 0,
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: rgb(0, 0,
102);"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;">For the 5 gal. bucket toilet -
Swap the buckets out as soon as you want to – buy as
many buckets as you need. Seal with lids (leaving the
vent hole open) and date the buckets – leave them for
1 year or so and then use as a tree fertilizer – can
give them a shake every now and then but mouldering is
effective.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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rgb(0, 0, 102);"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;
font-family: 'Gill Sans MT', sans-serif;">Has anyone
had any experience with self-contained composting
toilets? I am putting one in my temporary living
space, while I build. I may leave the unit in the
structure afterward. I'd prefer one that does not
require specialized venting parts (some do) and that
does not require a drain to send liquids to the
outside, but will consider one if the unit is clearly
a better choice. I've looked at Sun-Mar, Excel and
one from Sutherland Ontario, but have no idea which
models perform well. It's for one person. Cost, of
course, is a factor!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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