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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-CA link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I like curbless and that is all I have done in designs and renovations. In new work it has been cemboard over sloped eps foam with membrane over and use one tempered glass panel as a buffer and no doors. I find it makes bathrooms simple and accessible. I find very few people use or even want a bathtub. There is a bit of an energy loss in this form of bathing but debatable as most baths people want are grossly oversized.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>In renovations it has been really nice as you can take an older small bathroom with an old 2’6x5 tub footprint and with bifold glass doors make a completely accessible shower that when the doors are open the shower is part of the room allowing for full 3’ shower, toilet clearances, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>The strip drains make the geometry/slope easy and work well – expensive but if thought out well can simplify the trades work.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> Greenbuilding [mailto:greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Lynelle Hamilton<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 30, 2017 6:40 PM<br><b>To:</b> greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Greenbuilding] DIY sloped tiled shower floor, simple version?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I've had two curbless showers (both installed in a concrete slab). Sloped both to the drain (3") cement, epdm, mortar and tile (flat stones in the last one). Worked like a charm. NEVER had any overflow problems. Will install one in the new place, but use a strip drain as mentioned in previous posts. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Lynelle</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 2017-07-30 7:07 PM, Norbert Senf wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>This page has good instructions, including a video of how to do the EPDM corners:<br><a href="https://www.askmediy.com/how-to-make-a-shower-pan/">https://www.askmediy.com/how-to-make-a-shower-pan/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 7:01 PM, Reuben Deumling <<a href="mailto:9watts@gmail.com" target="_blank">9watts@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I'm coming around to the curb idea. I thought I'd learned here in response to a previous question that a curb was unnecessary, but with a plugged drain scenario, yeah... <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>EPDM pan sounds good to me. Would you slope the floor beneath the EPDM? Is this a matter of sourcing some of it and carefully folding the corners? <br>Mortar - I can work with that. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 3:33 PM, RT <<a href="mailto:ArchiLogic@yahoo.ca" target="_blank">ArchiLogic@yahoo.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Reuben;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Can't see any sketch and I don't know what you've seen on-line but IMO, plopping down some mortar on top of an EPDM pan is a lot easier and quicker nd ultimately less costly in terms of time and materials than futzing with wood and cement board to make a sloped shower floor tile base.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>re: No curb<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Let's say the shower drain gets plugged with hair (or worse) and someone has turned on the shower and let it run unattended (or similar) and a few gallons of water have not found their way down the drain. Could easily happen.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>How does the "no curb" design handle such a scenario ? Is there a gutter somewhere else that leads to a drain ?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sun, 30 Jul 2017 15:23:23 -0400, Reuben Deumling <<a href="mailto:9watts@gmail.com" target="_blank">9watts@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:4.8pt'><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Is there any reason I can't cut a bunch of shallow wedges laid in a radial pattern that feather toward the drain, nail cement board on top, tape the seams and lay down the tile? <br><br>This seems a lot simpler than some of the instructions I find online. My sketch above doesn't include any membrane or treatment of the seams where this sloped floor meets walls. The shower in question is in the corner of a small upstairs bathroom. The walls will be tiled and I would like/think I can get away with avoiding a step/lip where the sloped floor meets the rest of the bathroom floor<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>All thoughts and suggestions are welcome.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Reuben<o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div id="m_-1849104021587390549m_5857843611468056821M2Signature"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'>=== * ===<br>Rob Tom T6015O<br>Kanata, Ontario, Canada<br><br>< A r c h i L o g i c at Y a h o o dot C a ><br><br>(manually winnow the chaff from my edress if you hit "Reply")<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br>_______________________________________________<br>Greenbuilding mailing list<br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br><a href="mailto:Greenbuilding@bioenergylists.org">Greenbuilding@bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/greenbuilding_lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/greenbuilding_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br clear=all><br>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Norbert Senf<br>Masonry Stove Builders<br>25 Brouse Road, RR 5<br>Shawville Québec J0X 2Y0<br>819.647.5092<br><a href="http://www.heatkit.com" target="_blank">www.heatkit.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Greenbuilding mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:Greenbuilding@bioenergylists.org">Greenbuilding@bioenergylists.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/greenbuilding_lists.bioenergylists.org">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/greenbuilding_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div id=DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=1 cellpadding=0 style='border:none;border-top:solid #D3D4DE 1.0pt'><tr><td width=55 style='width:41.25pt;border:none;padding:9.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon" target="_blank"><span style='text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=46 height=29 id="_x0000_i1025" src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif"></span></a><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=470 style='width:352.5pt;border:none;padding:9.0pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:13.5pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#41424E'>Virus-free. <a href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link" target="_blank"><span style='color:#4453EA'>www.avast.com</span></a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></body></html>