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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-CA link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I think it does come down to cleaning and deodorizing. Anything acidic will neutralize to some degree so you could just make up a liquid/spray that gets used regularly or simply use a urinal screen which depending on the type will both neutralize and deodorize (there are some ‘natural’ ones and ones that utilize enzymes ). I like the ptrap and would keep it topped up with an enzyme solution – as well as a screen.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Greenbuilding [mailto:greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Reuben Deumling<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 11, 2018 12:18 PM<br><b>To:</b> Green Building<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Greenbuilding] Urine-diverting toilets Re: Greenbuilding Digest, Vol 89, Issue 8<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 11:53 AM, Carol Steinfeld <<a href="mailto:carol@carol-steinfeld.com" target="_blank">carol@carol-steinfeld.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>We haven't had many folks complain about odor, so I think you're pulling a draw on the urine line. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The seat & lid are always closed and are both gasketed, and we have from the very beginning placed a candle (stopper) into the hole through which the urine falls when the toilet is not in use as an extra precaution. With all these precautions, the pathway by which the urine odor reaches the noses in or near the bathroom has been somewhat baffling. <br> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Or one of the other factors I listed is at play here such as not enough slope in your drainline. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>As I've now said several times, the line is v e r t i c a l. There is no part that could be steeper than vertical. <br> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Did you say where the urine goes?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I did. Into a tin pail that sits outside in the fresh air. The toilet sits in a part of the house (second storey) that overhangs the first storey just enough to permit this setup. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>it's worth blasting the hose periodically or replacing it. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I've thought about both of those. What would you 'blast' it with? As for replacing, access is not straightforward but of course this can be done. Copper was mentioned as a perhaps more satisfactory material. My concern is that the transition from porcelain toilet to whatever larger diameter pipe or hose comes next is going to involve edges, gaps, etc. that are not readily accessed, inspected, cleaned. That as you suggest might benefit from 'blasting,' but wouldn't be reached by any pressurized water following the path of the urine. <br> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>You can put a P-trap in the urine line. I'm not crazy about doing that with no-flush urine-div toilets. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Me neither. Let's not go there just yet. <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I also tell folks to pour old coffee, tea, sugary drinks, etc. down the urine drain to give it an acid chaser.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Intriguing. I am not sure I understand what you mean by acid chaser. <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The odor filter in the EcoFlush urine-diverting toilet is new. It's something else to maintain. I can pull one out and photograph it. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The fact that an odor filter was invented/exists suggests to me that those who are having odor problems aren't just 'doing it wrong.' <br> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>