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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-CA link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Hi Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>It makes sense to avoid thing but not to spend too much effort avoiding things that are just part of our environment – I would be much happier meeting my end as a consequence of my natural environment. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>As for radon or low level radiation – it is part of our environment and I read a study long long time ago that correlated radon and cancer maps and that was what got me started with that. I even spent some time looking at historical settlement patterns in areas of high radioactive material concentration (river ganges is one). Human settlement patterns are interesting as they cover 1000’s of years with varying degrees of success. It is not just radon there is magnetic fields from water sources, etc. It is endless in terms of settlement patterns and what is conducive to health – not to mention the social/political temporal aspect. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>If I was to make a priority I would put social constructs first – that means both relationships with people and government. Government is supposed to make rules outside of commerce that take care of us. We have to make that work by both complying and questioning. Questioning require gov’t to invest some resources in validating. It still is up to a population to determine what type of governance they want. Small stuff – I am trying to get wine production out of the definition of agriculture in our local zoning in the pacific northwest as we need trees not wine (an example). I like wine but we need trees more than vineyards.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Your comment about air is critical for understanding what a basic healthy home consists of which is simply exterior air flow in sufficient quality and quantity from a decent source to support quality of life in a building. There are better designs requirements for livestock than people. I’ve seen hospitals with air intakes where the ambulances idle….<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Take care,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>John<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Greenbuilding [mailto:greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael O'Brien<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 15, 2018 6:50 PM<br><b>To:</b> Green Building<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Greenbuilding] Year-round thermal comfort & insulation<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hi, John—<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Yes, I read the EPA committee’s analysis years ago so might not remember details, but pretty sure it was an attempt to translate miners who smoked and were exposed to extremely high radon levels into risk to occupants of buildings who would be exposed to low and fluctuating levels. It was a weak analysis. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>In Finland researchers tried studying radon levels the dwellings of people who already had lung cancer but found no relationship. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I think it makes sense to avoid radon, mainly by keeping it out of our buildings by eliminating air leaks. <o:p></o:p></p><div id=AppleMailSignature><p class=MsoNormal>Best, Mike<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Jul 15, 2018, at 6:26 PM, ErgoDesk <<a href="mailto:ergodesk@gmail.com">ergodesk@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial Narrow","sans-serif"'>Do you<span style='background:white'> </span><span class=gmail-gr>source</span> water from a well?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial Narrow","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial Narrow","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width=470 style='width:352.5pt;border-collapse:collapse'><tr><td style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width=470 style='width:352.5pt;border-collapse:collapse'><tr><td style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style='border-collapse:collapse'><tr><td width=100 valign=top style='width:75.0pt;padding:0cm 6.0pt 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><img border=0 width=100 id="_x0000_i1025" src="https://img.mysignature.io/p/c/1/3/c13c5bdf-f76f-5277-bc8c-2b094b4cd777.png?time=1528676750" alt=Styrohome><o:p></o:p></p></td><td valign=top style='padding:0cm 11.25pt 0cm 6.0pt'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style='border-collapse:collapse'><tr><td style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#6AA84F'>George Hawirko</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#000001'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></td></tr><tr><td style='padding:3.0pt 0cm 3.0pt 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#000001'>Product Designer</span></b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#000001'> | Styrohome<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial Narrow","sans-serif";color:#000001'>,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#000001'> Insulated Building<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial Narrow","sans-serif";color:#000001'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#000001'>Envelopes<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr><td style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#55A931'>Phone: </span><span class=gc-cs-link><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#000001'>604-477-7897</span></span><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#000001'><o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr><td style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#55A931'>Site: </span><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#000001'><a href="http://about.me/styrohome" target="_blank">about.me/StyroHome</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr><td style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#55A931'>Email: </span><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#000001'><a href="mailto:ergodesk@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style='color:#000001'>ergodesk@gmail.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr><td style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#55A931'>Skype: </span><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#000001'>ergodesk<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr><td style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#55A931'>Address: </span><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#000001'>#971 12151 224 St.<br> Maple Ridge, BC V2X 7N5<br> CANADA<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table></td><td style='border:none;border-left:solid #55A931 2.25pt;padding:0cm 0cm 2.25pt 4.5pt'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style='border-collapse:collapse'><tr><td style='padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/styrohome/" target="_blank"><span style='color:#337AB7;text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=25 id="_x0000_i1026" src="https://img.mysignature.io/s/v2/a/c/a/aca6d67a-008a-5060-8f54-41a2ad28f5da.png" alt=linkedin></span></a><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td style='padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://twitter.com/styrohome" target="_blank"><span style='color:#337AB7;text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=25 id="_x0000_i1027" src="https://img.mysignature.io/s/v2/c/8/9/c897a27d-c2c0-5e72-b299-b784e320fe4d.png" alt=twitter></span></a><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333;display:none'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style='border-collapse:collapse'><tr><td style='padding:11.25pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'></td></tr><tr><td style='border:none;border-top:solid #EEEEEE 1.0pt;padding:3.75pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 6:17 PM Michael O'Brien <<a href="mailto:obrien@hevanet.com">obrien@hevanet.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi, George—<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>We ran some boreholes to sample our soil down to about 9 feet. It’s mostly sand, so unlikely to be a radon source. I also checked the DOGAMI radon maps that record radon tests and our neighborhood is pretty low.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Radon has to piggyback with air, so if the slab is continuous there should be no air leaks where radon could enter. Having a tight shell also reduces any pressure differential that would drive air/radon transport. <o:p></o:p></p><div id="m_-365512063321954677AppleMailSignature"><p class=MsoNormal>Best, Mike<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Jul 15, 2018, at 3:41 PM, ErgoDesk <<a href="mailto:ergodesk@gmail.com" target="_blank">ergodesk@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial Narrow","sans-serif"'>Radon: <a href="https://www.google.ca/search?q=radon+shield&num=100&newwindow=1&rlz=1C1CHBF_enCA777CA777&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiC4ZS5laLcAhXZHjQIHUh3C4EQ_AUICigB&biw=1280&bih=596" target="_blank">https://www.google.ca/search?q=radon+shield&num=100&newwindow=1&rlz=1C1CHBF_enCA777CA777&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiC4ZS5laLcAhXZHjQIHUh3C4EQ_AUICigB&biw=1280&bih=596</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial Narrow","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial Narrow","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width=470 style='width:352.5pt;border-collapse:collapse'><tr><td style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width=470 style='width:352.5pt;border-collapse:collapse'><tr><td style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style='border-collapse:collapse'><tr><td width=100 valign=top style='width:75.0pt;padding:0cm 6.0pt 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><img border=0 width=100 id="_x0000_i1028" src="https://img.mysignature.io/p/c/1/3/c13c5bdf-f76f-5277-bc8c-2b094b4cd777.png?time=1528676750" alt=Styrohome><o:p></o:p></p></td><td valign=top style='padding:0cm 11.25pt 0cm 6.0pt'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style='border-collapse:collapse'><tr><td style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#6AA84F'>George Hawirko</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#000001'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></td></tr><tr><td style='padding:3.0pt 0cm 3.0pt 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#000001'>Product Designer</span></b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#000001'> | Styrohome<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span 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0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#55A931'>Skype: </span><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#000001'>ergodesk<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr><td style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#55A931'>Address: </span><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#000001'>#971 12151 224 St.<br> Maple Ridge, BC V2X 7N5<br> CANADA<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table></td><td style='border:none;border-left:solid #55A931 2.25pt;padding:0cm 0cm 2.25pt 4.5pt'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style='border-collapse:collapse'><tr><td style='padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/styrohome/" target="_blank"><span style='color:#337AB7;text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=25 id="_x0000_i1029" 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0cm'></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 3:32 PM Peter Kidd <<a href="mailto:peterkidd@shaw.ca" target="_blank">peterkidd@shaw.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>What's a radon SHIELD <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%;background:white;border-spacing:0px'><tr><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;font-size:initial;text-align:initial'><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>ErgoDesk<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Sent: </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Sunday, July 15, 2018 5:27 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>To: </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Green Building<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Reply To: </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Green Building<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Subject: </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Re: [Greenbuilding] Year-round thermal comfort & insulation<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial Narrow","sans-serif"'>Was a RADON Shield installed under the Slab?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial Narrow","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial Narrow","sans-serif"'><o:p> 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class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#6AA84F'>George Hawirko</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#000001'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></td></tr><tr><td style='padding:3.0pt 0cm 3.0pt 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#000001'>Product Designer</span></b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#000001'> | Styrohome<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#000001'></span><span style='font-family:"Arial Narrow","sans-serif";color:#000001'>,</span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#000001'></span><span style='font-family:"Arial Narrow","sans-serif";color:#000001'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#000001'> Insulated Building<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#000001'></span><span style='font-family:"Arial Narrow","sans-serif";color:#000001'> </span><span style='font-family:"Arial Narrow","sans-serif";color:#000001'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#000001'>Envelopes<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr><td style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#55A931'>Phone: </span><span class=m-365512063321954677m-5575694932276638476gc-cs-link><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#000001'>604-477-7897</span></span><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#000001'><o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr><td style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#55A931'>Site: </span><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#000001'><a href="http://about.me/styrohome" target="_blank">about.me/StyroHome</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr><td style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#55A931'>Email: </span><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#000001'><a href="mailto:ergodesk@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style='color:#000001'>ergodesk@gmail.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr><td style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#55A931'>Skype: </span><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#000001'>ergodesk<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr><td style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#55A931'>Address: </span><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#000001'>#971 12151 224 St.<br> Maple Ridge, BC V2X 7N5<br> CANADA<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table></td><td style='border:none;border-left:solid #55A931 2.25pt;padding:0cm 0cm 2.25pt 4.5pt'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style='border-collapse:collapse'><tr><td style='padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/styrohome/" target="_blank"><span style='color:#337AB7;text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=25 id="_x0000_i1032" src="https://img.mysignature.io/s/v2/a/c/a/aca6d67a-008a-5060-8f54-41a2ad28f5da.png" alt=linkedin></span></a><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td style='padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://twitter.com/styrohome" target="_blank"><span style='color:#337AB7;text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=25 id="_x0000_i1033" src="https://img.mysignature.io/s/v2/c/8/9/c897a27d-c2c0-5e72-b299-b784e320fe4d.png" alt=twitter></span></a><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333;display:none'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style='border-collapse:collapse'><tr><td style='padding:11.25pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'></td></tr><tr><td style='border:none;border-top:solid #EEEEEE 1.0pt;padding:3.75pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 3:05 PM Beatrice Dohrn via Greenbuilding <<a href="mailto:greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Beatrice Dohrn <<a href="mailto:beatricedohrn@yahoo.com" target="_blank">beatricedohrn@yahoo.com</a>><br>To: Green Building <<a href="mailto:greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br>Cc: <br>Bcc: <br>Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2018 15:03:49 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Year-round thermal comfort & insulation<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>FYI: I am also in the PNW, I built my house from Faswall (like Durisol, but local). It has a basement, ground floor and bedroom 1 flight up. THe walls are, I think, R28. THe roof is a sandwich with 9” of Polyiso in it. So mass and decent insulation given the mild temps here. THe basement — which is 2/3 in ground and 1/2 exposed to the East — never gets above 65 or below 58. The ground floor is easy to keep cool in heat waves by managing day and night window positions. The upstairs disappoints me in geting too warm and I find it difficult to get air moving without some mechanical ventilation..... I thought I had designed something that would work better.... <br><br>Best, BEatrice. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Jul 15, 2018, at 12:10 AM, Paul Hadfield <<a href="mailto:paul.hadfield@firelight.co.uk" target="_blank">paul.hadfield@firelight.co.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><pre style='white-space:pre-wrap;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial'><span style='color:black'>Reuben says: "Thermal mass (such as a brick or stone wall) would I think do a much better job producing comfortably cool summer evenings, but would not accomplish much in the winter"<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='white-space:pre-wrap;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre style='white-space:pre-wrap;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial'><span style='color:black'>As Mike says, doesn't thermal mass provide a flywheel of heat through cold periods, as <a href="https://www.detail-online.com/article/house-without-heating-office-building-in-austria-16667/" target="_blank">building 2226</a> (non-domestic, admittedly) shows?<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='white-space:pre-wrap;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre style='white-space:pre-wrap;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial'><span style='color:black'>Paul Hadfield.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='white-space:pre-wrap;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sat, 14 Jul 2018 at 19:00, <<a href="mailto:greenbuilding-request@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">greenbuilding-request@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal>Send Greenbuilding mailing list submissions to<br> <a href="mailto:greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> <a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/greenbuilding_lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/greenbuilding_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> <a href="mailto:greenbuilding-request@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">greenbuilding-request@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br> <a href="mailto:greenbuilding-owner@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">greenbuilding-owner@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of Greenbuilding digest..."<br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Year-round thermal comfort & insulation (Reuben Deumling)<br> 2. Re: Year-round thermal comfort & insulation (Mike O'Brien)<br><br><br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Reuben Deumling <<a href="mailto:9watts@gmail.com" target="_blank">9watts@gmail.com</a>><br>To: Greenbuilding <<a href="mailto:greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br>Cc: <br>Bcc: <br>Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2018 07:43:24 -0700<br>Subject: [Greenbuilding] Year-round thermal comfort & insulation<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>I like insulation: the more the better as far as I'm concerned. For keeping the cold out (speaking colloquially) I've found that careful attention to air sealing and insulation pays huge dividends. But for keeping the summer heat out, I'm finding that the same insulation does a far less admirable job. Stretches of direct sun not only manage to heat up the room/house, it feels like the insulation then does a good job of holding that just-gained heat in. While cool nights with the windows open typically solves the problem in our relatively mild PNW climate I'm still perplexed why the seasonal symmetry I (naively) expected is not evident. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The walls in question have two parallel but isolated sets of studs and as much dense packed cellulose as I my Forec 2 insulation blower can force into the nooks and crannies. Thermal mass (such as a brick or stone wall) would I think do a much better job producing comfortably cool summer evenings, but would not accomplish much in the winter. Are there hybrid wall assemblies I'm not aware for? What am I missing?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Planned remedies: learn to make exterior shutters, plant more trees.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks!<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: "Mike O'Brien" <<a href="mailto:obrien@hevanet.com" target="_blank">obrien@hevanet.com</a>><br>To: Green Building <<a href="mailto:greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br>Cc: <br>Bcc: <br>Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2018 08:40:38 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Year-round thermal comfort & insulation<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi, Reuben—<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>In our house we used lots of insulation, and also thermal mass. The house is built on a slab, the southern end has a clay finish floor, it has Durasol walls on the south side, and there is a cob wall in the interior. We also installed an ecoroof on the south facing side, which helps reduce thermal gains on that area. I believe the thermal mass helps dampen the temperature swings, especially noticable in extreme weather. The west-facing windows are shaded by a big cedar tree and a (sprawling) wisteria, and the west-facing roof has solar water panels on it. With your same night-flushing strategy, our house remains comfortable, even when the outdoors is in the 90s.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Best,<br><br>Mike<br>(503) 819-8991<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Jul 14, 2018, at 7:43 AM, Reuben Deumling <<a href="mailto:9watts@gmail.com" target="_blank">9watts@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I like insulation: the more the better as far as I'm concerned. For keeping the cold out (speaking colloquially) I've found that careful attention to air sealing and insulation pays huge dividends. But for keeping the summer heat out, I'm finding that the same insulation does a far less admirable job. Stretches of direct sun not only manage to heat up the room/house, it feels like the insulation then does a good job of holding that just-gained heat in. While cool nights with the windows open typically solves the problem in our relatively mild PNW climate I'm still perplexed why the seasonal symmetry I (naively) expected is not evident. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The walls in question have two parallel but isolated sets of studs and as much dense packed cellulose as I my Forec 2 insulation blower can force into the nooks and crannies. Thermal mass (such as a brick or stone wall) would I think do a much better job producing comfortably cool summer evenings, but would not accomplish much in the winter. Are there hybrid wall assemblies I'm not aware for? 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