<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial narrow,sans-serif;font-size:small">Radon is not static, it rolls like clouds, sometimes sunny and sometimes not. It is a huge cause of Cancers, so why is it so ignored, by every level of the system, just blows my mind, If included in the plans its cost is minimal and the safety factor is HIGH!</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial narrow,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial narrow,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial narrow,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><table width="470" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" style="border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Muli,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><tbody><tr><td style="padding:0px"><table width="470" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" style="border-collapse:collapse;font-family:Muli,sans-serif"><tbody><tr><td style="padding:0px"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" style="border-collapse:collapse;background-color:transparent"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" width="100" style="padding:0px 8px 0px 0px"><img alt="Styrohome" width="100" src="https://img.mysignature.io/p/c/1/3/c13c5bdf-f76f-5277-bc8c-2b094b4cd777.png?time=1528676750" style="border:0px;vertical-align:middle;width:100px;border-radius:10%"></td><td valign="top" style="padding:0px 15px 0px 8px;font-size:1em"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" style="border-collapse:collapse;background-color:transparent;line-height:1.4;font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:11.44px;color:rgb(0,0,1)"><tbody><tr><td style="padding:0px"><div style="font-size:1.2em"><b><font color="#6aa84f">George Hawirko</font></b></div></td></tr><tr><td style="padding:4px 0px"><span style="font-weight:700">Product Designer</span> | Styrohome<div style="font-family:"arial narrow",sans-serif;font-size:small;display:inline">,</div> Insulated Building<div style="font-family:"arial narrow",sans-serif;font-size:small;display:inline"> </div>Envelopes</td></tr><tr><td style="padding:0px"><span style="color:rgb(85,169,49)">Phone: </span><span><span title="Call with Google Voice"><span title="Call with Google Voice"><span title="Call with Google Voice"><span id="gc-number-118" class="gc-cs-link" title="Call with Google Voice">604-477-7897</span></span></span></span></span></td></tr><tr><td style="padding:0px"><span style="color:rgb(85,169,49)">Site: </span><a href="http://about.me/styrohome" target="_blank">about.me/StyroHome</a></td></tr><tr><td style="padding:0px"><span style="color:rgb(85,169,49)">Email: </span><a href="mailto:ergodesk@gmail.com" style="color:rgb(0,0,1);background-color:transparent" target="_blank">ergodesk@gmail.com</a></td></tr><tr><td style="padding:0px"><span style="color:rgb(85,169,49)">Skype: </span><a style="background-color:transparent">ergodesk</a></td></tr><tr><td style="padding:0px"><span style="color:rgb(85,169,49)">Address: </span>#971 12151 224 St.<br>                 Maple Ridge, BC   V2X 7N5<br>                 CANADA<br></td></tr></tbody></table></td><td valign="middle" style="font-family:Arial;padding:0px 0px 3px 6px;border-left:3px solid rgb(85,169,49);border-top-color:rgb(85,169,49);border-right-color:rgb(85,169,49);border-bottom-color:rgb(85,169,49)"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" style="border-collapse:collapse;background-color:transparent"><tbody><tr><td style="padding:4px 0px 0px"><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/styrohome/" style="color:rgb(51,122,183);background-color:transparent" target="_blank"><img alt="linkedin" width="25" src="https://img.mysignature.io/s/v2/a/c/a/aca6d67a-008a-5060-8f54-41a2ad28f5da.png" style="border:0px;vertical-align:middle;width:25px"></a></td></tr><tr><td style="padding:4px 0px 0px"><a href="https://twitter.com/styrohome" style="color:rgb(51,122,183);background-color:transparent" target="_blank"><img alt="twitter" width="25" src="https://img.mysignature.io/s/v2/c/8/9/c897a27d-c2c0-5e72-b299-b784e320fe4d.png" style="border:0px;vertical-align:middle;width:25px"></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" style="border-collapse:collapse;font-family:Muli,sans-serif"><tbody><tr><td style="padding:15px 0px 0px"></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:Arial;padding:5px 0px 0px;border-top:1px solid rgb(238,238,238);font-size:10px"><br></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 6:33 PM Reuben Deumling <<a href="mailto:9watts@gmail.com">9watts@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">John can you say a few more words about that? <br>I'm not familiar with the hormetic effect, but did look it up, briefly. <br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 6:26 PM, John Salmen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:terrain@shaw.ca" target="_blank">terrain@shaw.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-CA"><div class="m_-1071639153872076760m_-3271965144934063062WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Radon is an interesting thing – the risk exposure levels that are being currently used were extrapolated downward from high level radon exposure (miners etc). It hasn’t subsequently followed that model and low level exposures in studies have been shown to actually reduce the lung cancer associated with radon by as much as 60% from the ‘risk factor’ – hormetic affect. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US"> Greenbuilding [mailto:<a href="mailto:greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael O'Brien<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 15, 2018 6:15 PM</span></p><div><div class="m_-1071639153872076760h5"><br><b>To:</b> Green Building<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Greenbuilding] Year-round thermal comfort & insulation<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p></div></div><div><div class="m_-1071639153872076760h5"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Hi, George—<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">We ran some boreholes to sample our soil down to about 9 feet. It’s mostly sand, so unlikely to be a radon source. I also checked the DOGAMI radon maps that record radon tests and our neighborhood is pretty low.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Radon has to piggyback with air, so if the slab is continuous there should be no air leaks where radon could enter. Having a tight shell also reduces any pressure differential that would drive air/radon transport. <u></u><u></u></p><div id="m_-1071639153872076760m_-3271965144934063062AppleMailSignature"><p class="MsoNormal">Best, Mike<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>On Jul 15, 2018, at 3:41 PM, ErgoDesk <<a href="mailto:ergodesk@gmail.com" target="_blank">ergodesk@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial Narrow","sans-serif"">Radon: <a href="https://www.google.ca/search?q=radon+shield&num=100&newwindow=1&rlz=1C1CHBF_enCA777CA777&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiC4ZS5laLcAhXZHjQIHUh3C4EQ_AUICigB&biw=1280&bih=596" target="_blank">https://www.google.ca/search?q=radon+shield&num=100&newwindow=1&rlz=1C1CHBF_enCA777CA777&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiC4ZS5laLcAhXZHjQIHUh3C4EQ_AUICigB&biw=1280&bih=596</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial Narrow","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial Narrow","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><table class="m_-1071639153872076760m_-3271965144934063062MsoNormalTable" style="width:352.5pt;border-collapse:collapse" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" width="470"><tbody><tr><td style="padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm"><table class="m_-1071639153872076760m_-3271965144934063062MsoNormalTable" style="width:352.5pt;border-collapse:collapse" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" width="470"><tbody><tr><td style="padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm"><table class="m_-1071639153872076760m_-3271965144934063062MsoNormalTable" style="border-collapse:collapse" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td style="width:75.0pt;padding:0cm 6.0pt 0cm 0cm" valign="top" width="100"><p class="MsoNormal"><img id="m_-1071639153872076760m_-3271965144934063062_x0000_i1025" src="https://img.mysignature.io/p/c/1/3/c13c5bdf-f76f-5277-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" border="0"><tbody><tr><td style="padding:11.25pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"></td></tr><tr><td style="border:none;border-top:solid #eeeeee 1.0pt;padding:3.75pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 3:32 PM Peter Kidd <<a href="mailto:peterkidd@shaw.ca" target="_blank">peterkidd@shaw.ca</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">What's a radon SHIELD <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><table class="m_-1071639153872076760m_-3271965144934063062MsoNormalTable" style="width:100.0%;background:white;border-spacing:0px" cellpadding="0" border="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td style="padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;font-size:initial;text-align:initial"><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">ErgoDesk<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Sent: </span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Sunday, July 15, 2018 5:27 PM<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">To: </span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Green Building<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Reply To: </span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Green Building<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Subject: </span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Re: [Greenbuilding] Year-round thermal comfort & insulation<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></td></tr></tbody></table><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial Narrow","sans-serif"">Was a RADON Shield installed under the Slab?<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial Narrow","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial Narrow","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><table class="m_-1071639153872076760m_-3271965144934063062MsoNormalTable" style="width:352.5pt;border-collapse:collapse" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" width="470"><tbody><tr><td style="padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm"><table class="m_-1071639153872076760m_-3271965144934063062MsoNormalTable" style="width:352.5pt;border-collapse:collapse" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" width="470"><tbody><tr><td style="padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm"><table class="m_-1071639153872076760m_-3271965144934063062MsoNormalTable" style="border-collapse:collapse" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td style="width:75.0pt;padding:0cm 6.0pt 0cm 0cm" valign="top" width="100"><p class="MsoNormal"><img id="m_-1071639153872076760m_-3271965144934063062_x0000_i1028" src="https://img.mysignature.io/p/c/1/3/c13c5bdf-f76f-5277-bc8c-2b094b4cd777.png?time=1528676750" alt="Styrohome" border="0" width="100"><u></u><u></u></p></td><td style="padding:0cm 11.25pt 0cm 6.0pt" valign="top"><table class="m_-1071639153872076760m_-3271965144934063062MsoNormalTable" style="border-collapse:collapse" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td style="padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#6aa84f">George Hawirko</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#000001"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></td></tr><tr><td style="padding:3.0pt 0cm 3.0pt 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#000001">Product Designer</span></b><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#000001"> | Styrohome<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#000001">​</span><span style="font-family:"Arial Narrow","sans-serif";color:#000001">,</span><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#000001">​</span><span style="font-family:"Arial Narrow","sans-serif";color:#000001"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#000001"> Insulated Building<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#000001">​​</span><span style="font-family:"Arial Narrow","sans-serif";color:#000001"> </span><span style="font-family:"Arial Narrow","sans-serif";color:#000001"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#000001">Envelopes<u></u><u></u></span></p></td></tr><tr><td style="padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#55a931">Phone: </span><span class="m_-1071639153872076760m_-3271965144934063062m-5575694932276638476gc-cs-link"><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#000001">604-477-7897</span></span><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#000001"><u></u><u></u></span></p></td></tr><tr><td style="padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#55a931">Site: </span><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#000001"><a href="http://about.me/styrohome" target="_blank">about.me/StyroHome</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></td></tr><tr><td style="padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#55a931">Email: </span><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#000001"><a href="mailto:ergodesk@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:#000001">ergodesk@gmail.com</span></a><u></u><u></u></span></p></td></tr><tr><td style="padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#55a931">Skype: </span><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#000001">ergodesk<u></u><u></u></span></p></td></tr><tr><td style="padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#55a931">Address: </span><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#000001">#971 12151 224 St.<br>                 Maple Ridge, BC   V2X 7N5<br>                 CANADA<u></u><u></u></span></p></td></tr></tbody></table></td><td style="border:none;border-left:solid #55a931 2.25pt;padding:0cm 0cm 2.25pt 4.5pt"><table class="m_-1071639153872076760m_-3271965144934063062MsoNormalTable" style="border-collapse:collapse" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td style="padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/styrohome/" target="_blank"><span style="color:#337ab7;text-decoration:none"><img id="m_-1071639153872076760m_-3271965144934063062_x0000_i1029" src="https://img.mysignature.io/s/v2/a/c/a/aca6d67a-008a-5060-8f54-41a2ad28f5da.png" alt="linkedin" border="0" width="25"></span></a><u></u><u></u></p></td></tr><tr><td style="padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://twitter.com/styrohome" target="_blank"><span style="color:#337ab7;text-decoration:none"><img id="m_-1071639153872076760m_-3271965144934063062_x0000_i1030" src="https://img.mysignature.io/s/v2/c/8/9/c897a27d-c2c0-5e72-b299-b784e320fe4d.png" alt="twitter" border="0" width="25"></span></a><u></u><u></u></p></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333;display:none"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><table class="m_-1071639153872076760m_-3271965144934063062MsoNormalTable" style="border-collapse:collapse" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td style="padding:11.25pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"></td></tr><tr><td style="border:none;border-top:solid #eeeeee 1.0pt;padding:3.75pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 3:05 PM Beatrice Dohrn via Greenbuilding <<a href="mailto:greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Beatrice Dohrn <<a href="mailto:beatricedohrn@yahoo.com" target="_blank">beatricedohrn@yahoo.com</a>><br>To: Green Building <<a href="mailto:greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br>Cc: <br>Bcc: <br>Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2018 15:03:49 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Year-round thermal comfort & insulation<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">FYI:  I am also in the PNW, I built my house from Faswall (like Durisol, but local). It has a basement, ground floor and bedroom 1 flight up. THe walls are, I think, R28. THe roof is a sandwich with 9” of Polyiso in it.  So mass and decent insulation given the mild temps here. THe basement — which is 2/3 in ground and 1/2 exposed to the East — never gets above 65 or below 58. The ground floor is easy to keep cool in heat waves by managing day and night window positions. The upstairs disappoints me in geting too warm and I find it difficult to get air moving without some mechanical ventilation..... I thought I had designed something that would work better....  <br><br>Best, BEatrice. <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>On Jul 15, 2018, at 12:10 AM, Paul Hadfield <<a href="mailto:paul.hadfield@firelight.co.uk" target="_blank">paul.hadfield@firelight.co.uk</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><pre style="white-space:pre-wrap;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span style="color:black">Reuben says: "Thermal mass (such as a brick or stone wall) would I think do a much better job producing comfortably cool summer evenings, but would not accomplish much in the winter"<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre style="white-space:pre-wrap;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span style="color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></pre><pre style="white-space:pre-wrap;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span style="color:black">As Mike says, doesn't thermal mass provide a flywheel of heat through cold periods, as <a href="https://www.detail-online.com/article/house-without-heating-office-building-in-austria-16667/" target="_blank">building 2226</a> (non-domestic, admittedly) shows?<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre style="white-space:pre-wrap;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span style="color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></pre><pre style="white-space:pre-wrap;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span style="color:black">Paul Hadfield.<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre style="white-space:pre-wrap;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span style="color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></pre><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Sat, 14 Jul 2018 at 19:00, <<a href="mailto:greenbuilding-request@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">greenbuilding-request@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><p class="MsoNormal">Send Greenbuilding mailing list submissions to<br>        <a href="mailto:greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>        <a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/greenbuilding_lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/greenbuilding_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>        <a href="mailto:greenbuilding-request@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">greenbuilding-request@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br>        <a href="mailto:greenbuilding-owner@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">greenbuilding-owner@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of Greenbuilding digest..."<br>Today's Topics:<br><br>   1. Year-round thermal comfort & insulation (Reuben Deumling)<br>   2. Re: Year-round thermal comfort & insulation (Mike O'Brien)<br><br><br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Reuben Deumling <<a href="mailto:9watts@gmail.com" target="_blank">9watts@gmail.com</a>><br>To: Greenbuilding <<a href="mailto:greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br>Cc: <br>Bcc: <br>Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2018 07:43:24 -0700<br>Subject: [Greenbuilding] Year-round thermal comfort & insulation<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">I like insulation: the more the better as far as I'm concerned. For keeping the cold out (speaking colloquially) I've found that careful attention to air sealing and insulation pays huge dividends. But for keeping the summer heat out, I'm finding that the same insulation does a far less admirable job. Stretches of direct sun not only manage to heat up the room/house, it feels like the insulation then does a good job of holding that just-gained heat in. While cool nights with the windows open typically solves the problem in our relatively mild PNW climate I'm still perplexed why the seasonal symmetry I (naively) expected is not evident. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">The walls in question have two parallel but isolated sets of studs and as much dense packed cellulose as I my Forec 2 insulation blower can force into the nooks and crannies. Thermal mass (such as a brick or stone wall) would I think do a much better job producing comfortably cool summer evenings, but would not accomplish much in the winter. Are there hybrid wall assemblies I'm not aware for? What am I missing?<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Planned remedies: learn to make exterior shutters, plant more trees.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks!<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: "Mike O'Brien" <<a href="mailto:obrien@hevanet.com" target="_blank">obrien@hevanet.com</a>><br>To: Green Building <<a href="mailto:greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br>Cc: <br>Bcc: <br>Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2018 08:40:38 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] Year-round thermal comfort & insulation<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Hi, Reuben—<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">In our house we used lots of insulation, and also thermal mass. The house is built on a slab, the southern end has a clay finish floor, it has Durasol walls on the south side, and there is a cob wall in the interior. We also installed an ecoroof on the south facing side, which helps reduce thermal gains on that area. I believe the thermal mass helps dampen the temperature swings, especially noticable in extreme weather. The west-facing windows are shaded by a big cedar tree and a (sprawling) wisteria, and the west-facing roof has solar water panels on it. With your same night-flushing strategy, our house remains comfortable, even when the outdoors is in the 90s.<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Best,<br><br>Mike<br>(503) 819-8991<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Jul 14, 2018, at 7:43 AM, Reuben Deumling <<a href="mailto:9watts@gmail.com" target="_blank">9watts@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I like insulation: the more the better as far as I'm concerned. For keeping the cold out (speaking colloquially) I've found that careful attention to air sealing and insulation pays huge dividends. But for keeping the summer heat out, I'm finding that the same insulation does a far less admirable job. Stretches of direct sun not only manage to heat up the room/house, it feels like the insulation then does a good job of holding that just-gained heat in. While cool nights with the windows open typically solves the problem in our relatively mild PNW climate I'm still perplexed why the seasonal symmetry I (naively) expected is not evident. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">The walls in question have two parallel but isolated sets of studs and as much dense packed cellulose as I my Forec 2 insulation blower can force into the nooks and crannies. Thermal mass (such as a brick or stone wall) would I think do a much better job producing comfortably cool summer evenings, but would not accomplish much in the winter. Are there hybrid wall assemblies I'm not aware for? What am I missing?<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Planned remedies: learn to make exterior shutters, plant more trees.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks!<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<br>Greenbuilding mailing list<br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br><a href="mailto:Greenbuilding@bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">Greenbuilding@bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/greenbuilding_lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">http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