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    <p>Hi Lynelle!</p>
    <p>While I second the idea of using a Soprema membrane (marketed as
      Resisto here in Quebec), I don't think that would be adequate if
      your water table is really higher than your SFPF for an extended
      period of time. The water will try to move in from below your slab
      and it's pretty unlikely that the slab is completely impermeable
      or that you created a completely water-tight seal underneath it.</p>
    <p>However, I'm not seeing the problem with perimeter footing drains
      unless you have no slope away on any side of the building, to take
      your drain to daylight. If you can do that and do it properly, I
      think the dimple mat might work as designed. If you can't, adding
      a membrane over the foam will reduce the infiltration, but seems
      unlikely to stop it completely.</p>
    <p>You also mention a septic system. I'm curious about how you're
      making a septic system work with such a high water table. Are you
      pumping your sewage to a raised mound treatment field or
      biofilter?<br>
    </p>
    <p>Jeff<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2019-04-08 8:23 a.m., Lynelle A.
      Hamilton wrote:<br>
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      <p><font size="+1"><font face="Gill Sans MT">Many thanks, John.
            I'd looked at Soprema, but was hesitant as I knew nothing
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      <p><font size="+1"><font face="Gill Sans MT">Lynelle</font></font><br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 07-Apr.-2019 10:35 p.m., john
        salmen wrote:<br>
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              style="color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">If I
              interpreted this right you have 2” of foam over the nexcem
              and everything is covered with a waterproofing dimple
              wrap? And the dimple wrap is not working.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">You
              can use a proper waterproofing membrane over the foam
              similar to a standard icf foundation – soprema makes a
              number of roll products that can be used to waterproof
              (self adhering with primers, etc).  I think the best is a
              product called colphene icf. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">It is
              true that trying to drain a high water table can be
              counterproductive (increased flows) – you basically have
              to build a boat. Membrane waterproofing (soprema type
              products) are only as good as the installation (corners,
              seams, etc) – so getting someone skilled with those
              materials is more important than the material.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">If it
              was just the nexcem I would be tempted to recommend zypex
              as a cementious cover (less toxic) and very effective. You
              could look at a zypex stucco type cover with the foam but
              would probably fail over time.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              style="color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Best<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              style="color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">John<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                UPHILL RD DUNCAN<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                  style="color:windowtext" lang="EN-US"> Greenbuilding <a
                    class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                    href="mailto:greenbuilding-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org"
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                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>Lynelle A. Hamilton<br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> April 7, 2019 3:22 PM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> Green Building <a
                    class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                    href="mailto:greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org"
                    moz-do-not-send="true"><greenbuilding@lists.bioenergylists.org></a><br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> [Greenbuilding] Waterproofing a
                  shallow frost protected foundation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Gill Sans
              MT",sans-serif">Again, I turn to this list!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Gill Sans
              MT",sans-serif">I have a shallow frost protected
              foundation, sitting on a high water table. Construction is
              SFPF, then Durisol/Nexcem with 2" of foam extending to the
              perimeter foam and dimple wrap. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Gill Sans
              MT",sans-serif">We temp back filled the south wall
              before winter approx 3.5 feet, as the septic is to the
              south.  Now, I have water coming in on the south wall. Not
              a huge amount, but enough that I don't want it! We had no
              water on the ground before backfill, although the seat of
              the septic tank (about 1.5 feet below the foundation had
              minor seepage when we dug it. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Gill Sans
              MT",sans-serif">I've been told not to ring the
              foundation with gravel and install weeping tile, due to
              the high water table.  I don't believe I can use tar or
              other paint on applications with the foam. I can't find
              anything relevant on the web.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Gill Sans
              MT",sans-serif">Any ideas, listers? Many thanks in
              advance.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Gill Sans
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