[Stoves] Stoves Digest, Vol 2, Issue 2
Jerry Lee Gomez
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Mon Oct 4 21:41:25 CDT 2010
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> 1. Re: don't burn the charcoal bury it (Jeff Davis)
> 2. Re: don't burn the charcoal bury it (Jeff Davis)
> 3. Re Thoughts in a cold shower (Paal wendelbo)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 22:05:26 -0400
> From: Jeff Davis <jeff0124 at velocity.net>
> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
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> Subject: Re: [Stoves] don't burn the charcoal bury it
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> Dear Otto,
>
>
> Thank you for the kind words.
>
> Yes, I am also a TLUD fan - and charcoal to. Charcoal has many uses from
> medical to metallurgical.
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Jeff
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>
> On Mon, 2010-09-27 at 11:37 +0200, Otto Formo wrote:
> > Dear Jeff,
> > well done and said in a very understanding way............
> >
> > Otto
> > Still a TLUD fan...............
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 22:13:13 -0400
> From: Jeff Davis <jeff0124 at velocity.net>
> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
> <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] don't burn the charcoal bury it
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> Dear Richard,
>
>
> Thank you.
>
> I don't recall who my briqueting friend is/was. Maybe the man with a
> coal mine that was interested in using algae as a binder for coal
> Fireballs (ball agglomerating).
>
> I also use charcoal as a high grade fuel (petrol replacement).
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> On Mon, 2010-09-27 at 12:10 -0700, Richard Stanley wrote:
> > Jeff,
> >
> > Loong time since my response to your last post apologies just get too
> > wrapped up in doings here...I recall that you had mentioned a friend
> > of yours there who ws getting into briqueting ... How is that going?
> >
> > On your post today re biochar, its a very thoughtful piece.
> > Thanks for it.
> > I have sent it out to two emerging biochar briquetters out there as I
> > am nto in favor if it myself but do not have the technical background
> > to defend my position. I rather take a more utilitarian approach from
> > the user perspective.
> >
> > On the biomass briquette side, it maks little snce to go to teh touble
> > of making biochar...when we can use the 15 to 20% waste product that
> > naturally acumilates on the sellers stall floor-- from their normal
> > handling of the lump charcoal. Useing those fines (dust and crumbs) in
> > a typical grass straw biomass briquette will about double the sellers
> > market reach, or conversely they can greatly reduce their charcoal
> > supply, and still reach the same market...A typical grass and straw
> > briquette which has been augmented by 15 - 20% charcoal dust cumbs
> > (the briquette typically weighs 140 grams), will about greatly
> > increase it heat output --in fact it typically provides the same heat
> > ouput as 140 grams of lump charcoal.
> >
> > And more important that anything the briquette begins to "look like
> > charcoal" .
> >
> > We hardly need to go to the cost and carbon footrpint and human energy
> > expenditure of creating char for this purpose...
> >
> > Richard Stanley
> >
> >
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 08:30:29 +0200
> From: "Paal wendelbo" <paaw at online.com>
> To: <Stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> Subject: [Stoves] Re Thoughts in a cold shower
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> Dear Tom and Jonathan
>
> Good observations, and important for 1000 of tinsmiths around the world. Thats the way they have practiced making holes in their stoves for 100 years. My observations are.that the local tinsmiths have the knowledge and the tools for producing light TLUD stoves; the only thing they need is a template of good TLUD stove and customers.
>
> The customers will be there when appropriate low cost fuel for the TLUD's is available. And low cost available fuel will be there when appropriate mobile equipment run by local entrepreneurs is operating in the area.
>
> The local entrepreneurs will be the to day operating charcoal business who has the infrastructure intact. They just need to change from charcoal to another appropriate bio fuel.
>
> The appropriate bio fuel will be coming from energy forestry, sawmills, agriculture and milling waste, grass, straw, reeds and other types of combustible biomass collected or grown by the local population. By establishment of this system you will solve a lot of problems and you will obtain:
>
> ? Maintain the local environment and local community activities
>
> ? Improve and conserve the environment outside and inside
>
> ? Improved environment by clean combustion
>
> ? Improve the health-situation
>
> ? Create a lot of new income generating activities
>
> ? More and cheaper household energy by lower production- and transport costs,
>
> We do have everything needed to solve the household energy problems for developing countries around the world and partly the poverty:.
>
> ? The need of changes is there
>
> The TLUD stoves is there
>
> ? The local tinsmiths for production are there
>
> ? The combustible biomass are there
>
> ? The local populations for bio fuel production and collection are there
>
> ? The local charcoal infrastructure is there.
>
> What is missing : only?
>
> ? Pilot projects
>
> ? Fundings
>
> ? And may be a starter.
>
> Or will it be better with mass-production of cheap stoves somewhere abroad and huge centralized pellets production with its transport
>
> Wirh regards Paal W
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