[Stoves] Stoves Digest, Vol 2, Issue 26
Nancy Sanford Hughes
nancyineugene at me.com
Sun Oct 31 16:33:34 CDT 2010
Philip,
Where's the rest?
Nancy
On Oct 31, 2010, at 12:05 PM, Philip Lloyd wrote:
> "All,
>
>
>
> Where are there studies that document the illness and loss of life from
> cooking over open fires? We all quote the 1.4 million deaths per year but
> what is that information based on? Where is the source documentation? Is
> there information to document improvements from stoves?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Tom
>
>
>
> T R Miles Technical Consultants, Inc.
>
> tmiles at trmiles.com
>
> www.trmiles.com
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> www.bioenergylists.org"
>
> It is a world health organisation publication of ~2003, looking at the
> sources of mortality worldwide.
>
>
> (Dr) Philip Lloyd Pr Eng
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> 1. Biochar Projects for Science Students (Tom Miles)
> 2. Documenting Health effects of cooking with open fires (Tom Miles)
> 3. Re: Documenting Health effects of cooking with open fires
> (Crispin Pemberton-Pigott)
> 4. Coal Heater (Jeff Davis)
> 5. Chimneys (Joyce Lockard)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 12:48:50 -0700
> From: "Tom Miles" <tmiles at trmiles.com>
> To: <biochar at yahoogroups.com>
> Cc: 'Discussion of biomass cooking stoves'
> <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> Subject: [Stoves] Biochar Projects for Science Students
> Message-ID: <006801cb786b$7ad081f0$707185d0$@com>
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> We need experiments for high school science students to make and use
> biochar.
>
>
>
> Kelpie and Christa have provided good instructions for small biochar stoves
> for students wanting to learn about biochar:
>
> How to Make the Dome School Biochar stove, Kelpie wilson
>
> http://greenyourhead.typepad.com/files/how-to-make-dome-school-biochar-stove
> .pdf
>
>
>
> Basic Design Principles of the Pyrolytic TLUD Gasifier Stove in 2010 Bq
> Demonstrations, or "How many sausages can you grill in the process of making
> 30g of biochar? Christa Roth
>
> http://terrapreta.bioenergylists.org/files/2010%20biochar-bq%20demonstration
> %20by%20Christa%20Roth.pdf
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>
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> What student projects can demonstrate the ability of biochar to capture
> nutrients and retain them for plant growth?
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>
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> Nutrient capture: are there simple leaching or column tests where students
> can filter a known concentration of fertilizer elements through samples of
> soil with and without biochar and directly measure the concentration in the
> filtrate using something like a specific ion electrode or conductivity
> tester e.g. K or nitrates, or heavy metals like Pb, or Cd?
>
>
>
> Greenhouse/pot tests: can the students then test the same media with and
> without biochar in pot tests?
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>
>
> A students recently asked if there is a way that she can measure the amount
> of carbon in biochar that will be available for carbon sequestration. Any
> examples or ideas?
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>
>
> Thanks
>
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>
> Tom
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>
>
> T R Miles Technical Consultants, Inc.
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> www.trmiles.com
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> www.biochar.bioenergylists.org
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 13:16:59 -0700
> From: "Tom Miles" <tmiles at trmiles.com>
> To: "'Discussion of biomass cooking stoves'"
> <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> Subject: [Stoves] Documenting Health effects of cooking with open
> fires
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> All,
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>
> Where are there studies that document the illness and loss of life from
> cooking over open fires? We all quote the 1.4 million deaths per year but
> what is that information based on? Where is the source documentation? Is
> there information to document improvements from stoves?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Tom
>
>
>
> T R Miles Technical Consultants, Inc.
>
> tmiles at trmiles.com
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> www.trmiles.com
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> www.bioenergylists.org
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 18:35:20 -0400
> From: "Crispin Pemberton-Pigott" <crispinpigott at gmail.com>
> To: "'Discussion of biomass cooking stoves'"
> <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] Documenting Health effects of cooking with open
> fires
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> Dear Tom
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> I am pretty sure the source is Kirk Smith. Another person who is very up on
> the subject is Jostein Nygard jnygard at worldbank.org who has made
> calculations for whole countries including China.
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>
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> It is possible Steinar Larssen stlarssen at hotmail.com is quite au fait with
> backgrounders and even the calculation methods.
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> Regards
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> Crispin
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> Subject: [Stoves] Documenting Health effects of cooking with open fires
>
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> All,
>
>
>
> Where are there studies that document the illness and loss of life from
> cooking over open fires? We all quote the 1.4 million deaths per year but
> what is that information based on? Where is the source documentation? Is
> there information to document improvements from stoves?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Tom
>
>
>
> T R Miles Technical Consultants, Inc.
>
> tmiles at trmiles.com
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> www.trmiles.com
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> www.bioenergylists.org
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 00:55:35 -0400
> From: Jeff Davis <jeff0124 at velocity.net>
> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
> <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> Subject: [Stoves] Coal Heater
> Message-ID: <1288500935.4409.3.camel at jeff-laptop>
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> Dear Crispin,
>
> Is a coal fired hydronic heater with flue pipe out of line?
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> Best regards,
>
>
> Jeff
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> On Sat, 2010-10-30 at 07:36 -0400, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott wrote:
>> Interesting problem. We need a 2 kW stove for heating an super
>> insulated ger. There is no such thing at the moment as a clean
>> burning 2 kW coal stove. I am thinking of trying a fan stove.
>> r
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 07:53:32 -0700
> From: "Joyce Lockard" <rj.lockard at frontier.com>
> To: <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> Subject: [Stoves] Chimneys
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> Why is no one talking about chimneys that get rid of the CO safely? And
> doesn't the addition of a chimney change the dynamics of any stove?
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> Joyce M Lockard
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> rj.lockard at frontier.com
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