[Stoves] aluminium top plate
Andrew C. Parker
acparker at xmission.com
Fri Apr 8 16:45:33 CDT 2011
Lloyd,
Depending on Canada's regulatory burden, the Jompy may or may not meet
requirements. Making water safe to drink often requires far more than
simply sterilizing it. EPA regulations in the US require that culinary
water not exceed maximum allowed concentrations for a multitude of
chemicals and minerals. To comply, water companies (public or private,
profit or non-profit) must use filtration/reverse osmosis (a Canadian
company markets an excellent municipal water treatment system),
distillation, and/or mixing.
I have trouble seeing the demon in privatization of water treatment and
distribution. Water may be "free" but collection, treatment and
distribution of free water, and the subsequent collection, treatment and
release of sewage, costs somebody money and it must be reimbursed.
I recognize that water rights may present complications. If First Nations
already hold water rights, they certainly ought to maintain them, however,
there should be a structure that would be acceptable to a company willing
to simply treat and distribute water. Such structures are not uncommon in
the developing world.
Andrew Parker
On Fri, 08 Apr 2011 14:20:14 -0600, Lloyd Helferty
<lhelferty at sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Crispin,
>
> It's easy enough to create a*"short and hot" flame* from a biomass
> gasifier.
> It was recently demonstrated for us in Illinois by Hugh McLaughlin
> using one of his TinCan TLUD's (see photo).
> (Note: With very simple device made out of tin cans, which
> was/fan-powered/, the flame was very hot, but no more than an inch or so
> tall...)
>
> P.S. I am hoping to help get devices like the Jompy into Canada --
> especially for our many isolated Northern communities (First Nations**),
> who continue to deal with many water issues.
> (We might wish to discuss this further sometime.)
>
> ** As highlighted by the /*Union of B.C. Indian Chiefs*/,
>
> “The lack of safe drinking water to First Nation communities is
> not caused by a lack of regulations. The lack of safe drinking water
> is cause by a*lack of infrastructure, financial resources and
> technical expertise* to ensure the safety of the water supply.”
>
>
> P.S. There is even a Proposed /*Safe Drinking Water for First Nations
> Act*/ (Bill S-11) before parliament right now.
> http://www.ainc-inac.gc.ca/enr/wtr/esp/bll-eng.asp
>
> The proposed legislation also addresses recommendations made by the
> /*Commissioner of Environment and Sustainable Development*/ (Office of
> the Auditor General), the /*Expert Panel on Safe Drinking Water for
> First Nations*/, and the /*Senate Standing Committee on Aboriginal
> Peoples*/.
>
> The/*Expert Panel on Safe Drinking Water for First Nations*/,
> established in June 2006, was one of the principal components of the
> federal government’s March 2006 /*Plan of Action for Drinking Water in
> First Nations Communities*/. The Panel held a series of public hearings
> across Canada throughout the summer of 2006 and tabled its report in
> November 2006.
>
> Following the introduction of Bill S-11, the /*Assembly of First
> Nations*/ issued a press release stating that the proposed legislation
> "/will *not* meet the objective of ensuring First Nations have access to
> safe drinking water/".
> The /*Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development*/ already
> defines "priority communities" as those communities that have both
> /*high-risk drinking water systems*/ and a /drinking water advisory/.
> (Indian and Northern Affairs Canada (INAC) is just concluding a
> _national assessment of First Nation water and sanitation systems_,
> which will be released soon...)
>
> The Bill has gone through 2nd Reading in the House of Commons and
> their last meeting was March 9, 2011, but now that there is an election
> everything is on hold. They still have to come up with a Committee
> Report and the Report has to go through Presentation and Debate(s)
> before going through a 3rd Reading before the Act comes into force,
> which will likely be well /after the election/.
>
> My hope is that with the introduction of devices like the Jompy that
> we can help to */prevent/ the privatization of water infrastructure in
> First Nation communities* by Governments that are intent on finding
> "solutions" but don't have the budgets to build major water
> infrastructure in all of these remote communities of the North,
> especially given the constrained budgets of /all/ Governments (and
> communities) right now.
> (Note: The existing legislation essentially allows for "a private,
> for-profit entity to build, operate and/or manage its water and
> wastewater services" in First Nation communities.)
> see: http://canadians.org/water/documents/FN/Bill-S11.pdf
>
> *Risk of Water Privatization in First Nation Communities*
> Subsection 4. (1)(c)(iii) states that “regulations may confer on any
> person or body the power, exercisable in specified circumstances and
> subject to specified conditions, to require a first nation to enter
> into an agreement for the management of its drinking water system or
> waste water system in cooperation with a third party.”
>
> We are extremely concerned that this clause could open the door to
> water privatization in First Nation communities. This subsection
> provides the Canadian government with the power to force a First
> Nation community to allow a private, for-profit entity to build,
> operate and/or manage its water and wastewater services. To be clear
> this clause alone does not guarantee the privatization of water and
> wastewater services in First Nation communities. However, given
> the/*lack of funding commitments in Bill S-11*/, this clause
> facilitates water privatization on reserves.
> Given federal financing trends and the negotiation of a trade
> agreement between Canada and the European Union, it is possible that
> the operationalization of this clause in the current economic and
> political context will lead privatization in some First Nation
> communities.
>
> Canada is an enigma. We are considered a "first world" nation, yet *the
> social, economic, and demographic characteristics* of remote /*Inuit,
> Aboriginal and First Nations communities*/ in Canada often *mirror those
> in /developing nations/*.
>
> These remote, Northern communities are often challenged by limited
> access to health services, low socio-economic status, high unemployment,
> crowded and poor-quality housing, low educational achievement, and in
> particular, concerns regarding basic services such as *drinking water
> quality and sanitation*.
>
> Multiple Canadian Government agencies are tasked with looking after
> the people of the North. These include "*Indian and Northern Affairs
> Canada*", "*Health Canada*" and the "*Public Health Agency of Canada*",
> among others (yes, Canada does have /*two [2] _separate and autonomous_
> Health Agencies*/... see: http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca
> <http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/> and http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca
> <http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/>).
>
> It is now understood that conventional technologies for drinking
> water treatment are no longer considered adequate for ensuring the
> delivery of potable water to the communities of Northern Canada. This is
> particularly true in smaller, more remote communities, where the
> infrastructure for *treatment of* both *drinking water* and
> *wastewater*** is often limited and can be /*very expensive*/.
>
> **Note: *Wastewater treatment solutions* for the North could also
> include technologies like /*Biochar Composting Toilets*/...
>
> "Source water protection" is a relatively new concept for these
> communities, and is NOT helped by the fact that most of the /*extractive
> industries*/ [i.e. *mining*] is done in the North, and is very loosely
> regulated, if at all.
> (Most mining laws and policies in Canada do not allow for local
> populations to consent (or not) to mining projects that will affect
> their communities and environment. see:
> http://www.yorku.ca/cerlac/EI/papers/Lapointe.pdf)
>
> Thus, most of the Indigenous communities in Canada’s North have some
> kind of */problems with drinking water quality /*that will continue to
> be experienced in the communities of Northern Canada for years (and
> perhaps decades to come -- as a result of the legacy of /*toxic waste
> disposal*/), which highlights the need for*simple and inexpensive clean
> water technologies* as a "back up" to the local water treatment systems
> in these communities, since /centralized water treatment/ alone cannot
> be relied upon to protect human health.
> (The residents of at hundreds of aboriginal reserves must boil their
> water before it is safe to drink.
> http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/2008/04/07/boil-advisory.html)
>
> "Ninety people in Canada die and another *90,000* get sick from
> drinking contaminated water each year."
>
> Some reserves have been under */boil-water advisories/* for _years_.
> Amazingly, Canada does not have national drinking water quality
> standards.
>
> A recent paper released by the */Sierra Legal Defence Fund/* reported
> "/major drinking water concerns in First Nations communities and all
> northern regions where drinking water treatment technologies are often
> inadequate or poorly maintained/".
>
> Compounding the difficulties in protecting sources of drinking water
> is the reality that wastewater treatment systems that work in the south
> are often /*not appropriate for use in the far north*/. (Wastewater in
> the North is presently discharged to lagoons or natural wetlands that
> are often _/frozen/_ for much of the year.)
>
> The people of the North are in need of simple technological solutions
> for the treatment of drinking water, which could become an important
> tool for ensuring outbreaks of disease in these communities does not
> recur due to contaminated drinking water issues.
>
> Any drinking water treatment technology that is used must also be
> easily adopted by northern (Indigenous) communities (in order to ensure
> long-term sustainability).
>
> Regards,
>
> Lloyd Helferty, Engineering Technologist
> Principal, Biochar Consulting (Canada)
> www.biochar-consulting.ca
> 603-48 Suncrest Blvd, Thornhill, ON, Canada
> 905-707-8754; 647-886-8754 (cell)
> Skype: lloyd.helferty
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> President, Co-founder& CBI Liaison, Biochar-Ontario
> Advisory Committee Member, IBI
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>
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> "Necessity may be the mother of invention, but innovators need to
> address problems before they become absolute necessities..."
>
>
> On 2011-04-08 3:55 AM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott wrote:
>> Dear Christa
>>
>> Good to hear from you.
>>
>> I wondered what Marlis was up to in the highlands.
>>
>> Still looking forward to making my first trip to Madagascar.
>>
>>> the Swiss NGO ADES ran with the idea and started making pot supports
>>> in 2009, but I only saw the first stove in Switzerland last year (see
>>> photos). I don't know the cost but it is affordable.
>> This looks like a great way to create a tapered gas space under the
>> pot. If you remember the guy with the water heating coil (Jompy,
>> UK?)...there is a guy Werner Schultz in Namibia making stoves for his
>> staff that have a coiled pipe inside the stove body. Such a pipe could
>> be cast into a stove top like the one in you photo, sort of a
>> combination of the two ideas. Werner uses copper pipe.
>>
>> So let's give it shot in a few countries.
>>
>>> and I like Crispins idea to cast different pots.
>> I think Dale would be please to see his work verified in a real
>> product. If recasting a pot saves 15 or 25% of the fuel, or just makes
>> cooking faster, that would be a quick and reliable improvement. Once
>> the idea caught on all future pots would have fins. I saw a finned wok
>> somewhere - I think at an ETHOS meeting (?). Clearly would help with a
>> gas/biogas cooker, probably gasifiers too if the flame is short and hot.
>>
>> Paul, I know you're listening!
>>
>> Regards
>> Crispin in Toronto
>>
>>
>>
>> Let us know how things go. It might be easier to getting the pots
>> adopted than some stoves...
>> regards Christa
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