[Stoves] Country by Country Project List?

[Tom Miles]

Jan,

I think this is an appropriate place to discuss the Alliance and what we
want it to be. The Alliance has just gotten started. We have had a few
meetings of the work groups and subgroups. In the meantime that shouldn't
prevent us from being creative about what we need to see in order for the
work of improved stoves to be done. 

The first step at the Global Alliance has been to identify early actions.
Ideas were put forth with plans, implementing organizations and budgets.
>From those a short list has been developed. There were several
recommendations for improved information. We have been asked to "relax" for
a period while the administrative organization digests what we have put
forward, but we will be back considering various aspects in detail. At that
point we can articulate any ideas put forward on this or other lists. 

Tom       

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From: stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org
[mailto:stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] On Behalf Of Jan Bianchi
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 10:06 AM
To: 'Discussion of biomass cooking stoves'
Subject: Re: [Stoves] Country by Country Project List?

Xavier, Frank, Tom, Erin and Karabi

I've been away from internet access for several days, but it looks like more
interest in a broader list is building.

Since I first asked about a country by country list, I learned about the
HEDON list which I agree has a lot of good information on it. Of course I
already knew about the bioenergylists.org and the list of PCIA partners, so
there are several models out there, which contain a lot of information,
although not always current.  I'm guessing this idea has been tried over the
years by several people and the effort to keep the lists current and
complete has proven overwhelming and too costly.  

I know that Xavier thinks this is a second tier project, but I've been most
curious about advice we've received to not expect any quick action from the
Global Alliance.  I don't think I expect quick action, but I'd like to know
why there doesn't seem to be any consensus that that's the place to focus
on.  I know nothing about the politics of the Global Alliance and I doubt
that this listserve is a good venue to explore them. If people think one of
the existing lists is a better place to focus, I think that would be fine.

But seriously, why not sit down with the Alliance's IT people, presuming
there are such people, and ask what their plans are, whether they think this
project is within their scope of work, or whether they'd prefer to
contribute to and/or link to an existing program like HEDON's or
bioenergylists.org.  No point in getting focused on them if they don't
intend to take up the challenge.  And there may be a good reason for them
not to, I just haven't heard it.  Someone must know them well enough to make
an introduction.  If not, then maybe we should just focus on helping
bioenergylists and/or HEDON continue to improve their lists.  I don't think
we want to reinvent the wheel.

Jan

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From: stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org
[mailto:stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] On Behalf Of Erin Rasmussen
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 12:04 PM
To: 'Discussion of biomass cooking stoves'
Subject: Re: [Stoves] Country by Country Project List?

Hi Xavier,

I'm excited by your energy. There's a lot of this information available on
the web, but it would be nice to have it collected - maybe even linked to a
map. A google map linking to the various stoves projects would be a  neat
idea, and perhaps swiftly out-dated but interesting.

Your spreadsheet was fine, but didn't actually outline the data in a way
that would allow one to build a database. 

What type of information would be important to keep track of? 
City, Country, Project Participants, Sponsoring Organizations, Contact
information for the Participants and Sponsors, then there's the information
about the stoves themselves. Do you want to repeat the wheel on a stoves
database? or do you want to simply link to existing information? If you'd
like to build your own database it's good to have pictures, stove name,
stove promoter, designer, funder, project information, stove information,
detailed plans, testing results, notes for comments, updates and emissions
and other testing results.

(The project grows big rather quickly, but help is always appreciated by
pretty much everyone who is already trying to tackle it, including us). 

I think the google maps, or some other map type idea is cool, and relatively
simple to update. You've got to have someone with the motivation to
consistently do it, and a paycheck is a pretty good way to do that. (I guess
there's always fame and glory -- oh sarcasm does NOT work in email). 

If anyone would like to pitch in and help with the stoves web site, or the
associated costs, we're pretty happy to put you to work and or use the money
to defray the cost of the server and the maintenance.

Thanks!

Erin Rasmussen
Stoves List Technical gal and devoted web monkey
erin at trmiles.com


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