[Stoves] Ecat and decentralized power

Fri Oct 14 15:35:56 CDT 2011

At 1000 F, it could power an absorption cooler.  That would save a lot of  
electricity.  High efficiency solar collectors can do the same.

Andrew Parker

On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 14:07:47 -0600, Brown, Henry, DoIT  
<Henry.Brown at state.nm.us> wrote:

> Stanley,
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> I have built methane digestors, solar collectors, solar distillers in  
> Peace Corps.
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> I have seen how they fail to meet the needs of people.
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> Wood fires continue to plague the world.
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> All are complex and not appropriate to all developing countries.
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> I have seen the problems of the air conditioned driven power grids in  
> the US.
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> I managed a centralized electric power system in US Southwest. I built  
> software for large wind farms. The failures due to power market  
> manipulation (Enron) and under regulation (FERC Bush Admin) are really  
> secondary. The real problem is centralized power. Large distances and  
> right-of-way issues will kill large solar and wind problems due to  
> transmission rights-of-way. Southern CA is where we see this today.
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> Ecat, if real, will resolve many of the issues of centralized power.
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> It is not cost effective today to use it soley for power production.
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> Ect runs at 1000 F.
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> Making it not efficient enough to replace natural gas turbines or coal  
> plants.
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> But the waste heat from the systems can power personal thermoelectric  
> generators and heat water and homes.
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> It will allow decentralized systems because it is relatively safe and  
> can be widely used in small power grids.
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> Example: If each home owner has ten ecats (200 kW heat = 15 kW electric  
> approx). By selling electric to the national grid a micro grid can be  
> self balancing on most days.
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> The user gets to use waste heat the grid buys the excess electric.
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> This scales very well.
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> Even developing countries could adopt the plumbing skills to build and  
> operate Ecat.
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> I was a mechanic for diesel engines as a teenager and worked on family  
> farms and in canneries. I have alot of practical experience with  
> mechanical systems. Ecat will be fairly easy to operate from what I have  
> read.
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> It remains to be proven the exact amount of energy this technology will   
> produce. But applications can now be visualized for its use.
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> Henry Brown
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> hbrown at sisna.com<mailto:hbrown at sisna.com>
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> ________________________________
> From: stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org  
> [stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] on behalf of Richard Stanley  
> [rstanley at legacyfound.org]
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 12:35 PM
> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
> Subject: [Stoves] smoke that cigar will ya ?
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> Here we go again, the sure fix solution for the third world, eh ?
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> What part about  "local capacity development" do we NOT GET ?
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> Look at the process for making the cigar:
> • How much less the energy input and technology is required.
> • Who controls that ?
> • What skills are gained by those who will use manage and maintain it…
>
> Again friends, if all it took was a new technical fix like this and the  
> dozns of well intended flops over the years, we could have flown over  
> the third world and parachuted them in and that would have been  that.
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> But its not ...
> Development is so much more complicated than that, the real sticky stuff  
> of working within the context of the eventaul user adopter…
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> Question is who benefits MIT the various scientific luminaries and their  
> institutions around the world , or the actual user…
> Show us how it can be made in country how it can be adapted to locla  
> management Accept less efficiency in the technology for more  
> effectiveness in local adaptaion.
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> Egad, I'm getting abit to old for this..
>
> Richard Stanley
> www.legacyfound.org<http://www.legacyfound.org>
> (also ex pcv/ Ceylon 2)
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> On Oct 13, 2011, at 2:48 PM, Brown, Henry, DoIT wrote:
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> Replacing charcoal production would save trees and prevent deforestation  
> all over the world.
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> A new reactor Ecat could be simplified into a cooking ceramic stone that  
> produces 1000 F (580 C) temperature.
> This stone could produce heat for years, replacing wood fires in  
> developing countries.
> A red brick with a cigarette sized reactor inside could cook food and  
> sterilize water.
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> SAM Kargbo works for SUNY in Albany, NY - Sam is a SUNY educator who  
> grew up in Africa. "This (nuclear cooking stone) sounds really  
> promising. I believe it will help millions. You are right, deforestation  
> is one big problem in a continent like Africa. Many places in Africa are  
> now dry due to the loss of trees being cut down. I would definitely be  
> the first man to go sell the new invention (cooking stone) for you in  
> Africa. "
> Scratch Ecat Cartoon: There are more references below.
> http://scratch.mit.edu/projects/GeneMachine/1791470
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> Ecat uses hydrogen as its primary fuel.
> Managing hydrogen ions limits sustaining the Ni/H reaction.
> A ceramic Ecat using a solid-state hydrogen fuel source would allow Ecat  
> to be widely used.
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> US Air Force lab reproduced Ecat and reveals Nickel catalyst.
> http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/06/brian-ahern-getting-8-watts-in-low.html
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> Ecat could be used in the home to produce steam for heating, hot water,  
> and electric generation for homes and cars.
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> http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/04/swedish-researchers-confirm-rossi-and.html
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> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Catalyzer
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> See attached (Ecat_Nuclear_Reactor_Rankine_Model.doc)
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> Nickel is a very common waste product from copper mining ($12.10 /LB).
> Nickel is the 5th most common element on earth.
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> The Ecat uses 50 grams of Ni to produce 25kWh (approx)
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> http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3144960.ece/BINARY/Download+the+report+by+Kullander+and+Ess%C3%A9n+%28pdf%29
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> Girls in developing countries must collect firewood and leave school.
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> Could students devise a small cigarette sized Ecat to place in a brick  
> to produce heat for cooking?
> See attached Nuclear Cooking Stone.doc
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> I worked at Los Alamos National Laboratory (90-91).
> I was a Peace Corps Volunteer working on renewable energy and water in  
> Jamiaca, WI in the 1970's.
> I saw the deforestation by firewood collection in Haiti.
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> Could NIH and DOE develop a solid state hydrogen fuel to power the  
> cooking stone?
> http://ceramics.org/ceramictechtoday/2011/03/23/two-new-mgh2-based-approaches-for-hydrogen-storage-proposed/
>
> Henry Brown
> hbrown at sisna.com<mailto:hbrown at sisna.com>
> 505 795-3680
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