[Stoves] easy fix new route fwd...based on experience notarmchair advice...
Kevin
kchisholm at ca.inter.net
Sun Dec 16 17:31:42 CST 2012
Dear Richard
Firstly, let me state: "It doesn't matter if it is right or wrong. if it works, it is right." :-)
Having said that, I am puzzled that "yeast can accelerate decomposition of agricultural residue." My understanding is that yeast used in bread, or wine and beer making, simply "eats sugar to make alcohol and CO2."
Firstly, I would not think that "agricultural residue" has much sugar content, unless it is perhaps fresh cuttings, fresh trimmings, spoiled fruit, fruit peelings, fruit pits, etc.
Could you please elaborate further on the nature of the "agricultural residue" to which yeast can be added beneficially?
Thanks!!
Kevin
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Stanley
To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Stoves] easy fix new route fwd...based on experience notarmchair advice...
Michael et al,
As a result of my horrific typing these days, I made gross mistake about the ratio of dry powdered yeast to dry mass of biomass required for ( accelerating the decomposition of) 50 briquettes
The test read….with enough chopped biomass materials material for about for 50 briquettes (~715lbs dry weight) which
It should have read, 7kgs or 15 lbs dry weight…
disculpame todos,
Richard Stanley
Lankin,/ Coban/Altaverapaz, Guatemala
----------------------------------
Michael,
Sorry for your hassles there.
The trick to handling cardboard to rid it of the stinky and possibly carcinogenic glue faction, is incredibly simple: My friends Mary and Francia Kavita in Kenya told me the secret: Just wash it out -- just as anyone in a traditional cooking situation does with beans rice other grains: You just pour off/decant the dirty water !
You soak the cardboard stir it mash it around till it is thoroughly saturated then decant the dirty water and add fresh water. Repeat if necessary till the water runs clear...you want the fibers and combustibles remaining and not the saturated dissolved glues and that seems to work pretty well. Phd dissertation anyone ?
On the issue of working in or near a dump, or with anything that is locally construed as garbage I have always cautioned anyone especially one who is just starting out with what is a new product like this , to become associated with waste or "garbage" esp. one who is just starting out, for the very reason that you are being stigmatized.
Your decision to shift over to biomass is a great idea but you need to take it one step further. Use the consumers to drive the preference for the resources: They know what burns best with what aromas for what kinds of cooking and heating needs they have. Engage them to drive the blending process with some incentive discounted briquettes etc etc,. And you have your first consumers driving the market for you.
As an ongoing income source for you:
• Aside from setting up the obvious; Aa production operation and I mean large scale using such as the 20+ briquette-per-minute production machine, like what we assisted in the design of in Haiti. Kevin Adair's (E Fuego del Sol/Haiti) did all the work and fine tuning of it though)…
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https://sites.google.com/a/elfuegodelsol.com/elfuego/
• If you have a hammer mill,you can be the supplier of the resource and let others do the pressing of the resources which you blend bag and sell. Thats one model:
• The other is to put the hammer mill on a trainer and haul it around to the producers site as they do here in parts of Guatemala..
Don't give up.
This turn of events is an opportunity to reinvent your approach, stay in touch.
The Maya here have come up the use of--of all things-- ordinary bakers yeast /verdadura / to rapidly accelerate decomposition of ag. residues. (about one cup powder diluted in water can be mixed in with enough chopped biomass materials material for about for 50 briquettes (~715lbs dry weight) which adds about 1.5% to the cost but also decomposed materials about five x faster (in 2 - 3 days here).
If there is a need for the fuel you can solve their problem, and yours, at the same time. Go out not inward…
Will be here to backstop you if you need it.
Richard
Coban, Guatemala
On Dec 15, 2012, at 1:25 AM, mtrevor wrote:
Richard and Paul
Good to keep watching the thrashing machine develop.
I got them to make up some briquettes that were not all paper.
Sadly I was not there to watch and Ii do not know the mix. I think
about 50- 75 % copara cake. They definitely do not look like the card
board based one and the are softer. I am still pushing for the inclusion of biomass but
am running ito resistance. The claim is we compost biomass and we want to recycle cardboard.
A couple of strange asides. Because the composte has a high percent of coconut
fronds at least some sources are saying it is "bad" composte. I believe the issue here
is low fertility here means the frond composte is not that high in nutrients. They are trying to offset that by including
fish scraps from the tuna loining plant. Another aspect is that because the briquettes are made at the "dump"
they are dirty and "maybe" the cardboard has toxic materials in it.. "Have they been tested?"
I have point out the by increasing the biomass content they can address several issues.
The fronds can burn and "bad" composte avoided. High biomass mean less "Toxic" cardboard.
At the personal level things are shakey at best and stink in general. After 28.5 years I was dismissed without notice.
I literally do not know how my family is going to survive. The lights may go out, food a problem. Children are going to loose an education.
I found out such reputable groups as the Peace Corps, Yale University Cornell University and the University of Hawaii did not report
various employments in the past-- no US SS . Air Marshall Islands here has shorted my social security here as well.
One ironic vindication. I was terminated Friday the 7th and by noon the 8th the aircraft was ground in a remorte location with a DOE
Team and the United States Ambassador. They did not make it thru 24 hours without me, I havw been called back at least6 temporarily.
Hey at least I have my stoves, briquettes, and solar panels. I am also a good fisherman and there are breadfruit and coconuts.
I lived that way in the past and so does half the population any way.
At the Majuro Atoll Waste Company we have lost our strongest supporter. My son Doan has pulled the plug and moved to the USA.
His wife needs heart surgery and seems to have hooked into health services in Spokane some how. Doan however has moved on to
Fayetteville Arkansas He should be starting a job at a waste management site there He hopes to get experience and professional training
and try to get an educationa as well to return back here later.
.
From the sand pile
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Kobus,
Same goes for us too !
Congradulations and tut seins,
Richard Y Joyce
www.legacyfound.org
Guatemala
On Dec 14, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Lloyd Helferty wrote:
Congratulations, Kobus!
Sharing with the Stoves List...
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Principal, Biochar Consulting (Canada)
www.biochar-consulting.ca
48 Suncrest Blvd, Thornhill, ON, Canada
905-707-8754
CELL: 647-886-8754
Skype: lloyd.helferty
Steering Committee coordinator
Canadian Biochar Initiative (CBI)
President, Co-founder & CBI Liaison, Biochar-Ontario
National Office, Canadian Carbon Farming Initiative (CCFI)
Partner of Toronto Urban Ag Summit www.urbanagsummit.org
Manager, Biochar Offsets Group:
http://www.linkedin.com/groups?home=&gid=2446475
Advisory Committee Member, IBI
http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=1404717
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=42237506675
http://groups.google.com/group/biochar-ontario
http://www.meetup.com/biocharontario/
http://www.biocharontario.ca
www.biochar.ca
"It is the path, more than the arrival at the destination, that is important"
- GandhiOn 2012-12-14 8:09 AM, Vuthisa wrote:
[Attachment(s) from Vuthisa included below]
Happy to announce that my company Vuthisa Technologies is one of 33 projects (out of an initial 252 applications), and 1 of 7 from South Africa, chosen to receive funding from the Energy and Environment Partnership (Eastern and Southern Africa), initiated by the lead donor: Ministry for Foreign Affairs of Finland, co-donors include Austria (ADA), United Kingdom (DFID), the EU Commission and the Nordic Development Fund. The fund will kick-start the VUTHISA BIOCHAR INITIATIVE and is additional to the Government funding we are set to receive from the Department of Environmental Affairs (Working for Water) alien plant removal programme. EEP will cover many setting up costs, but more importantly cover feasibility trials of our 3-drum Biochar Retort.
This is also good news for ALL members of this group as we will be sharing our findings as we go along.
Now the work really starts...
Regards
Kobus
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Subject: Fifth Call for Proposals Outcome- List of Approved Projects
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 16:40:23 +0200
From: Gershwin Pududu
Dear EEP Stakeholder,
We are delighted to present to you the projects that were successful during the recently held EEP Fifth Call for Proposals (CFPs). Please find attached hereto a list (Annex 1) of the projects that were approved by the EEP Steering Committee Meeting on the 27th November 2012.
A total of 252 project profiles were submitted by project developers from our partner countries during the 5th CFPs. Following an initial screening process conducted for quality and completeness checking, 168 project profiles went through the screening process successfully and these were further sent to national coordinators as well as technical and business development evaluators to access each project’s compliance to National policy priorities, technical and economic viability respectively. Pre-selected criteria, which are in line with the EEP’s CFPs Guidelines, were used to perform these evaluations. Based on the combination of the results of these three evaluations, the Steering Committee has approved 33 projects requesting a total of € 6,397,279 in EEP grant funding. The approved list will also be available on our website soon; www.eepafrica.org .
We will soon be sending further communication to those of you whose projects have been approved, to submit a full proposal within 4 weeks of receiving the Full Proposal Guidelines. Due to the overwhelming number of profiles received, we regrettably cannot send feedback to the applicants whose projects were not successful during this round of Call for Proposals.
Many thanks for your participation!
Yours in Development,
Kind Regards,
Gershwin Pududu
Energy and Environment Partnership with S&E Africa
Regional Coordination Office (RCO)
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Michael et al,
As a result of my horrific typing these days, I made gross mistake about the ratio of dry powdered yeast to dry mass of biomass required for ( accelerating the decomposition of) 50 briquettes
The test read….with enough chopped biomass materials material for about for 50 briquettes (~715lbs dry weight) which
It should have read, 7kgs or 15 lbs dry weight…
disculpame todos,
Richard Stanley
Lankin,/ Coban/Altaverapaz, Guatemala
----------------------------------
Michael,
Sorry for your hassles there.
The trick to handling cardboard to rid it of the stinky and possibly carcinogenic glue faction, is incredibly simple: My friends Mary and Francia Kavita in Kenya told me the secret: Just wash it out -- just as anyone in a traditional cooking situation does with beans rice other grains: You just pour off/decant the dirty water !
You soak the cardboard stir it mash it around till it is thoroughly saturated then decant the dirty water and add fresh water. Repeat if necessary till the water runs clear...you want the fibers and combustibles remaining and not the saturated dissolved glues and that seems to work pretty well. Phd dissertation anyone ?
On the issue of working in or near a dump, or with anything that is locally construed as garbage I have always cautioned anyone especially one who is just starting out with what is a new product like this , to become associated with waste or "garbage" esp. one who is just starting out, for the very reason that you are being stigmatized.
Your decision to shift over to biomass is a great idea but you need to take it one step further. Use the consumers to drive the preference for the resources: They know what burns best with what aromas for what kinds of cooking and heating needs they have. Engage them to drive the blending process with some incentive discounted briquettes etc etc,. And you have your first consumers driving the market for you.
As an ongoing income source for you:
• Aside from setting up the obvious; Aa production operation and I mean large scale using such as the 20+ briquette-per-minute production machine, like what we assisted in the design of in Haiti. Kevin Adair's (E Fuego del Sol/Haiti) did all the work and fine tuning of it though)…
https://sites.google.com/a/elfuegodelsol.com/elfuego/
• If you have a hammer mill,you can be the supplier of the resource and let others do the pressing of the resources which you blend bag and sell. Thats one model:
• The other is to put the hammer mill on a trainer and haul it around to the producers site as they do here in parts of Guatemala..
Don't give up.
This turn of events is an opportunity to reinvent your approach, stay in touch.
The Maya here have come up the use of--of all things-- ordinary bakers yeast /verdadura / to rapidly accelerate decomposition of ag. residues. (about one cup powder diluted in water can be mixed in with enough chopped biomass materials material for about for 50 briquettes (~715lbs dry weight) which adds about 1.5% to the cost but also decomposed materials about five x faster (in 2 - 3 days here).
If there is a need for the fuel you can solve their problem, and yours, at the same time. Go out not inward…
Will be here to backstop you if you need it.
Richard
Coban, Guatemala
On Dec 15, 2012, at 1:25 AM, mtrevor wrote:
Richard and Paul
Good to keep watching the thrashing machine develop.
I got them to make up some briquettes that were not all paper.
Sadly I was not there to watch and Ii do not know the mix. I think
about 50- 75 % copara cake. They definitely do not look like the card
board based one and the are softer. I am still pushing for the inclusion of biomass but
am running ito resistance. The claim is we compost biomass and we want to recycle cardboard.
A couple of strange asides. Because the composte has a high percent of coconut
fronds at least some sources are saying it is "bad" composte. I believe the issue here
is low fertility here means the frond composte is not that high in nutrients. They are trying to offset that by including
fish scraps from the tuna loining plant. Another aspect is that because the briquettes are made at the "dump"
they are dirty and "maybe" the cardboard has toxic materials in it.. "Have they been tested?"
I have point out the by increasing the biomass content they can address several issues.
The fronds can burn and "bad" composte avoided. High biomass mean less "Toxic" cardboard.
At the personal level things are shakey at best and stink in general. After 28.5 years I was dismissed without notice.
I literally do not know how my family is going to survive. The lights may go out, food a problem. Children are going to loose an education.
I found out such reputable groups as the Peace Corps, Yale University Cornell University and the University of Hawaii did not report
various employments in the past-- no US SS . Air Marshall Islands here has shorted my social security here as well.
One ironic vindication. I was terminated Friday the 7th and by noon the 8th the aircraft was ground in a remorte location with a DOE
Team and the United States Ambassador. They did not make it thru 24 hours without me, I havw been called back at least6 temporarily.
Hey at least I have my stoves, briquettes, and solar panels. I am also a good fisherman and there are breadfruit and coconuts.
I lived that way in the past and so does half the population any way.
At the Majuro Atoll Waste Company we have lost our strongest supporter. My son Doan has pulled the plug and moved to the USA.
His wife needs heart surgery and seems to have hooked into health services in Spokane some how. Doan however has moved on to
Fayetteville Arkansas He should be starting a job at a waste management site there He hopes to get experience and professional training
and try to get an educationa as well to return back here later.
.
From the sand pile
- Original Message -----
From: To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Stoves] [biochar] Vuthisa qualifies for funding to kick-starta Biochar project [1 Attachment]
Kobus,
Same goes for us too !
Congradulations and tut seins,
Richard Y Joyce
www.legacyfound.org
Guatemala
On Dec 14, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Lloyd Helferty wrote:
Congratulations, Kobus!
Sharing with the Stoves List...
Lloyd Helferty, Engineering Technologist
Principal, Biochar Consulting (Canada)
www.biochar-consulting.ca
48 Suncrest Blvd, Thornhill, ON, Canada
905-707-8754
CELL: 647-886-8754
Skype: lloyd.helferty
Steering Committee coordinator
Canadian Biochar Initiative (CBI)
President, Co-founder & CBI Liaison, Biochar-Ontario
National Office, Canadian Carbon Farming Initiative (CCFI)
Partner of Toronto Urban Ag Summit www.urbanagsummit.org
Manager, Biochar Offsets Group:
http://www.linkedin.com/groups?home=&gid=2446475
Advisory Committee Member, IBI
http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=1404717
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=42237506675
http://groups.google.com/group/biochar-ontario
http://www.meetup.com/biocharontario/
http://www.biocharontario.ca
www.biochar.ca
"It is the path, more than the arrival at the destination, that is important"
- Gandhi
On 2012-12-14 8:09 AM, Vuthisa wrote:
> [Attachment(s) from Vuthisa included below]
> Happy to announce that my company Vuthisa Technologies is one of 33 projects (out of an initial 252 applications), and 1 of 7 from South Africa, chosen to receive funding from the Energy and Environment Partnership (Eastern and Southern Africa), initiated by the lead donor: Ministry for Foreign Affairs of Finland, co-donors include Austria (ADA), United Kingdom (DFID), the EU Commission and the Nordic Development Fund. The fund will kick-start the VUTHISA BIOCHAR INITIATIVE and is additional to the Government funding we are set to receive from the Department of Environmental Affairs (Working for Water) alien plant removal programme. EEP will cover many setting up costs, but more importantly cover feasibility trials of our 3-drum Biochar Retort.
>
> This is also good news for ALL members of this group as we will be sharing our findings as we go along.
>
> Now the work really starts...
>
> Regards
>
> Kobus
>
> ------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Fifth Call for Proposals Outcome- List of Approved Projects
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 16:40:23 +0200
> From: Gershwin Pududu
>
>
> Dear EEP Stakeholder,
>
> We are delighted to present to you the projects that were successful during the recently held EEP Fifth Call for Proposals (CFPs). Please find attached hereto a list (Annex 1) of the projects that were approved by the EEP Steering Committee Meeting on the 27th November 2012.
>
> A total of 252 project profiles were submitted by project developers from our partner countries during the 5th CFPs. Following an initial screening process conducted for quality and completeness checking, 168 project profiles went through the screening process successfully and these were further sent to national coordinators as well as technical and business development evaluators to access each project’s compliance to National policy priorities, technical and economic viability respectively. Pre-selected criteria, which are in line with the EEP’s CFPs Guidelines, were used to perform these evaluations. Based on the combination of the results of these three evaluations, the Steering Committee has approved 33 projects requesting a total of € 6,397,279 in EEP grant funding. The approved list will also be available on our website soon; www.eepafrica.org .
>
> We will soon be sending further communication to those of you whose projects have been approved, to submit a full proposal within 4 weeks of receiving the Full Proposal Guidelines. Due to the overwhelming number of profiles received, we regrettably cannot send feedback to the applicants whose projects were not successful during this round of Call for Proposals.
>
> Many thanks for your participation!
>
> Yours in Development,
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Gershwin Pududu
>
> Energy and Environment Partnership with S&E Africa
>
> Regional Coordination Office (RCO)
>
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>
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> Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (1)
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