[Stoves] Improved Dung Burning Stove for Peru?

Mon May 21 02:05:18 CDT 2012

Dear Dr Karve

Thanks for the explanation. Im quite satisfied with my curiosity for now. I
suspected the altitude would make that difference.

Thanks for your time.

Jed

2012/5/20 Anand Karve <adkarve at gmail.com>

> Dear Jed,
> the lady asking for a dung burning stove had already explained the fact
> that she was working for people living above the tree line and that wood
> was not available at that altitude. There are many such areas. For
> instance, in Ladakh in India, yak dung is the only fuel available for
> cooking.
> It is not necessary that one has to use dung or other biomass for
> supplying agricultural crops with the necessary minerals. Soil has all the
> minerals that plants need. If your land has a 1 m thick layer of soil on
> it, you can practice agriculture for 25000 years without adding any
> minerals from an outside source to the soil.  There are special ways of
> making the soil minerals available to crops. I can write to you privately
> about it if you are interested.
> Yours
> A.D.Karve
>
> On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 12:08 PM, Joshua Guinto <
> jed.building.bridges at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Ann
>>
>>
>> Please excuse me for posting a somewhat naive question.
>>
>> Why does it have to be a dung for fuel. Would not the stoves compete with
>> soil fertility if you use dung for cooking instead of having them as
>> compost?
>>
>> Would you not rather have the raw biomass fuels like grass and wood
>> sticks as fuel?
>>
>> Just being curious......
>>
>>
>> Jed Guinto
>>
>> Philippines
>>
>>
>>
>> 2012/5/21 Boston Nyer <boston at burndesignlab.org>
>>
>>> Hi Ann,
>>>
>>> Here is a link to a GTZ stove design that has been used for burning dung
>>> in the highlands of Peru:
>>> http://www.hedon.info/docs/CEC_inkawasi-stove_peru_factsheet-2008.pdf
>>>
>>> Please note that I have no direct experience with these stoves, just
>>> aware that they exist.
>>>
>>> Best of luck!
>>> Boston
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 3:42 PM, CEDESOL Foundation <
>>> lists.cedesol at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Ann,
>>>> One of our volunteers replied to your inquiry about CEDESOL stoves.
>>>> Did you receive his information?  I have been in rural areas where we
>>>> have been installing 720 double burner rockets with chimneys.  Do
>>>> respond if you need more info.  My cel 59177900868 abrazos and saludos
>>>> to Nancy and Richard.
>>>>
>>>> On 5/20/12, Richard Stanley <rstanley at legacyfound.org> wrote:
>>>> > Ann,
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks for your inquiry and thanks Nancy for your recommendation. We
>>>> are not
>>>> > directly involved with improved stoves; However there a contact in
>>>> Peru that
>>>> > you might want to explore.
>>>> >
>>>> > We installed a briquette production project in the outlying areas of
>>>> Cusco
>>>> > under the Adventist Development Relief Organisation in 2003 ( see the
>>>> latter
>>>> > half of the video on our website) but they let it all die just as it
>>>> was
>>>> > getting off the ground, as their priorities apparently shifted to
>>>> follow the
>>>> > changes in their donor's ( then USAID) interests. I returned to
>>>> discover all
>>>> > this while at the PCIA stove conference in Peru, in Feb, 2011. While
>>>> there,
>>>> > I also happened to meet a one  Javier Saldivar <javiercusco at gmail.com>
>>>> who
>>>> > is very active with stove projects in the southern highlands. I am
>>>> not sure
>>>> > what kind of material he uses for the chimney though.
>>>> >
>>>> > Kind regards,
>>>> >
>>>> > Richard Stanley
>>>> > www.legacyfound.org
>>>> > Ashland Oregon ( our Mayor is a one John Stromberg: Any relation ? )
>>>> > ==================================================
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On May 19, 2012, at 10:56 AM, Ann Stromberg wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > I am a member of the Board of Directors of a small foundation that
>>>> works in
>>>> > the highlands of southern Peru.  One of our projects is improved
>>>> stoves, and
>>>> > we are seeking to improve our model.    I have corresponded with Nancy
>>>> > Sanford Hughes and she suggested that I contact you:   the Stove Team
>>>> > International's Ecocina burns wood, and our communities are above the
>>>> tree
>>>> > line and wood/charcoal are not realistic fuel options.  Families in
>>>> our
>>>> > communities depend on cow dung for fuel.  The families like to cook
>>>> indoors
>>>> > for the most part (traditionally in small unventilated kitchens
>>>> separate
>>>> > from other living areas).  To date we have been working with an adobe
>>>> model
>>>> > (families make their own adobes) with a stovepipe.  A problem that we
>>>> have
>>>> > encountered in corrosion of the stovepipes, sometimes within a year of
>>>> > installation.
>>>> >
>>>> > Might you have any recommendations/experience regarding stovepipes
>>>> that
>>>> > might be retrofitted for our stove?
>>>> >
>>>> > In the longer term,  we would also consider other models.  I am
>>>> wondering if
>>>> > you would be able to direct us to a tested model of a household-level
>>>> > "improved stove" that burns dung and has been shown to have a
>>>> significant
>>>> > positive effect in improvement of the indoor air quality.  The stove
>>>> must
>>>> > function at 13,000-14,000 feet altitude and survive an annual season
>>>> of
>>>> > heavy rain as well as lengthy dry season.
>>>> >
>>>> > Any advice or leads that you can provide for us will be MUCH
>>>> appreciated.
>>>> > Thank you so much for taking time to write.   I'd be happy to call
>>>> you if
>>>> > that's easier for you.
>>>> >
>>>> > Ann Stromberg, Ph.D., M.P.H.
>>>> > for The Chijnaya Foundation
>>>> > www.chijnayafoundation.org
>>>> >
>>>> >
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