[Stoves] Fwd: Smoke-free biomass pellet fueled stove
Rolf Uhle
energiesnaturals at gmx.de
Tue Nov 6 10:09:53 CST 2012
Wow Ronny !
Rolf von Arbeitmitteninderwoche-sonmist
Am Dienstag, 6. November 2012, 16:59:57 schrieben Sie:
> Dear Kevin,
>
> I am just wondering if it's helpful-- or rather to be perhaps a bit
> blunt-- doubtful that it is. There are people on the list who are merely
> commenting observers, active philanthropists, idea philanthropists,
> tinkerers, business owners/employers and open-source religionists. Then
> there are people that are combinations of the aforementioned or
> something completely different. I think that Anil is well within the
> rights of his situation and conscience to do as he has done while I at
> the same time think of myself as a supporter of people as varied and
> different as Doug Williams and Jim Mason. The main problem I had with
> your comment at first read was that I was not sure whether you were
> saying that you were supporting Mr. Nurhuda's momentary policy or not.
> And, sadly, I have to admit that I'm even more confused now, because I
> think that logically you may be working with a chiastic instead of
> parallel logical structure, where the elements are not simply aligned
> having like characterists along two axes, but with opposite referents
> and thus crossed axes.
>
> regards,
>
> Ronald von Wochenendemitteninderwoche :/
>
> On 06.11.2012 14:07, Kevin wrote:
> > Dear Ronald
> > I was struck by the apparent parallel between "Classic Old Time
> > Imperialism" in the Physical world, and "Technology Capitalism" in the
> > "Stoves World." Examples of the "Classic Old Time Capitalism" would
> > be of the Romans who conquered Countries for their Resources, and the
> > Spaniards conquered the Mayans and Incas for their Gold, as compared
> > to "Technology Capitalism", where a Member or Members of the "Stoves
> > List World" seek to take New Technology, "The Gold of the Stoves
> > World" from "lesser powers."
> > Imperialism is defined at
> > http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/imperialism Classic
> > Imperialism usually involved exploitation of a smaller or weaker
> > Country or people by a more powerful Government or Country, where "the
> > Imperialist" takes labour and tangible resources from the Country or
> > people it dominates. The parallel with "Classic Imperialism" is
> > perhaps weak, in that neither Governments nor tangible resources are
> > involved, but rather, Individuals and abstract Technology.
> > Perhaps my parallel was "too big a stretch." What do you think?
> > Best wishes,
> > Kevin
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > *From:* Ronald Hongsermeier <mailto:rwhongser at web.de>
> > *To:* Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
> > <mailto:stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 06, 2012 6:19 AM
> > *Subject:* Re: [Stoves] Fwd: Smoke-free biomass pellet fueled stove
> >
> > Dear Kevin,
> >
> > Please define "Imperialism" since it's not clear from the context
> > what you mean.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Ronald von der Neuenkleinindustrieparkanlage
> >
> > On 06.11.2012 05:37, Kevin wrote:
> >> Dear Anil
> >> Sadly, it looks like Imperialism is still alive and well.
> >> Best wishes,
> >> Kevin
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> *From:* nari phaltan <mailto:nariphaltan at gmail.com>
> >> *To:* Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
> >> <mailto:stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 06, 2012 12:09 AM
> >> *Subject:* Re: [Stoves] Fwd: Smoke-free biomass pellet fueled
> >> stove
> >>
> >> *Dear Prof Nurhuda,*
> >> *
> >> *
> >> *It is a very impressive development and you are right in
> >> expecting a suitable rate of return on your intellectual
> >> property. Such requests for waiving rights have also been
> >> received by us for our ethanol stove work before from some
> >> members of the group.*
> >> *
> >> *
> >> *All the best.*
> >> *
> >> *
> >> *Anil K Rajvanshi*
> >> *
> >> *
> >> *
> >> *
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 4:38 PM, <mnurhuda at ub.ac.id
> >>
> >> <mailto:mnurhuda at ub.ac.id>> wrote:
> >> Dear Prof. Anderson,
> >>
> >> The equipments used to produce the stove are actually the
> >> standard
> >> equipments used in the kerosene stove production. They
> >> are hydraulic
> >> press, welding equipment, roller, and still many other
> >> equipments.
> >>
> >> The number of personals are 30 persons, but those are
> >> involved in the
> >> production, due to still lower demand, is only 6-10 persons.
> >>
> >> The maximum production capacity, at moment, around 500
> >> units in week. But
> >> we can increase up to 1000 units in week. It depends on
> >> the difficulty
> >> level, the stove dimension and still many other things.
> >>
> >> The expenses used in the development of new stoves are
> >> mostly for research
> >> and purchasing or build new equipments. We have spent
> >> more tens thousands
> >> US$ from our start in the mid 2008. I therefore disagree
> >> to any proposal
> >> to intelectual right removal, as you ever wrote about it
> >> to me two years
> >> ago.
> >>
> >> Kind regards
> >> M. Nurhuda
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> M. Nurhuda
> >>
> >> > Dear M. Nurhuda,
> >> >
> >> > Thank you for the info.
> >> >
> >> > Many of us are curious about your workshop to produce
> >>
> >> such nice items.
> >>
> >> > Questions include the equipment, personnel, and
> >>
> >> production capacity.
> >>
> >> > With appreciation,
> >> >
> >> > Paul
> >> >
> >> > Paul S. Anderson, PhD aka "Dr TLUD"
> >> > Email: psanders at ilstu.edu <mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu>
> >>
> >> Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
> >> <tel:%2B1-309-452-7072>
> >>
> >> > Website: www.drtlud.com <http://www.drtlud.com>
> >> >
> >> > On 11/5/2012 1:13 AM, Ron Larson wrote:
> >> >> Lists:
> >> >> Prof. Nurhuda has ok'd my forwarding this additional
> >>
> >> information on
> >>
> >> >> his recently announced stove.
> >> >>
> >> >> Ron
> >> >>
> >> >> Begin forwarded message:
> >> >>> *From:* Muhammad Nurhuda <mnurhuda at gmail.com
> >>
> >> <mailto:mnurhuda at gmail.com>
> >>
> >> >>> <mailto:mnurhuda at gmail.com <mailto:mnurhuda at gmail.com>>>
> >> >>> *Date:* November 4, 2012 5:01:46 PM MST
> >> >>> *To:* rongretlarson at comcast.net
> >>
> >> <mailto:rongretlarson at comcast.net>
> >> <mailto:rongretlarson at comcast.net
> >> <mailto:rongretlarson at comcast.net>>
> >>
> >> >>> *Subject:* *Re: [Stoves] Smoke-free biomass pellet
> >>
> >> fueled stove*
> >>
> >> >>> Dear Mr Larson,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Thank a lot for your email. The stove is my recent
> >>
> >> attempt in order
> >>
> >> >>> biomass pellet can be well burnt. Previously, I
> >>
> >> developed stove fueled
> >>
> >> >>> wit
> >> >>> palm kernel shell. Even the stove was excellent for
> >>
> >> palm kernel shell,
> >>
> >> >>> but
> >> >>> it is not immediately good for biomass pellet. There
> >>
> >> are a lot of
> >>
> >> >>> things
> >> >>> that have to be optimized.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Yes, the excess air can be seen from the appearance
> >>
> >> of the flame.
> >>
> >> >>> Optimal
> >> >>> secondary air would produce very transparent,short
> >>
> >> flame, though it
> >>
> >> >>> must
> >> >>> not be blue...... Mr Crispin Pemberton Pigott has
> >>
> >> witnessed the stove
> >>
> >> >>> as I demonstrated it in Yayasan Dian Desa, last October.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I just started to sell this pellet stoves. At the
> >>
> >> moment, I got
> >>
> >> >>> purchasing
> >> >>> order of 1200 stoves. It occurs after the buyer
> >>
> >> perform test by
> >>
> >> >>> himself.
> >> >>> However, due to limited capacity of our workshop, the
> >>
> >> buyer must wait
> >>
> >> >>> up
> >> >>> to 3 months right now. At the moment, we are
> >>
> >> manufacturing 1600
> >>
> >> >>> chopped-wood fueled stoves for project in Sumba
> >>
> >> Island, Indonesia.
> >>
> >> >>> The percentage of charcoal by weight is 20-25%. Some
> >>
> >> time it is less.
> >>
> >> >>> But
> >> >>> certainly, our stove burns the smoke very well until
> >>
> >> the last smoke
> >>
> >> >>> production.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Biochar is char that contains volatile matter (VM)
> >>
> >> less then 3%. When
> >>
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> VM is still high, let say 5%, the reaction of VM and
> >>
> >> water can lead the
> >>
> >> >>> acidic soil condition, and it is not good for the
> >>
> >> plant. We believe
> >>
> >> >>> that
> >> >>> the biochar produced by combustion of our stove is
> >>
> >> VM-free, such that
> >>
> >> >>> it
> >> >>> is good for soil conditioner.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> As you might know, my background is a theoretical
> >>
> >> atomic and laser
> >>
> >> >>> physicist. I do not know some specific terms like
> >>
> >> turn-down ratio. I
> >>
> >> >>> started to develop stoves in the late 2008. In
> >>
> >> addition, I do not have
> >>
> >> >>> laboratory, just small workshop that produces the
> >>
> >> stoves. So far, the
> >>
> >> >>> performance tests are performed by external
> >>
> >> laboratories. In 2010 test
> >>
> >> >>> performed by PT Puser Bumi in cooperation with
> >>
> >> directory of bioenergy,
> >>
> >> >>> republic of Indonesia, our wood chopped stoves was
> >>
> >> the best among other
> >>
> >> >>> 60
> >> >>> stoves.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Kind regards
> >> >>> M. Nurhuda
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > Prof. Nurhuda
> >> >>> > This is a really fine looking stove. The part that
> >>
> >> intrigues me most
> >>
> >> >>> is
> >> >>> that you are controlling secondary air for the
> >>
> >> pyrolysis gases. And
> >>
> >> >>> apparently doing it (and primary air) well with the
> >>
> >> rotating disc
> >>
> >> >>> mechanism. I do not recall seeing any other stove
> >>
> >> controlling both
> >>
> >> >>> (without a fan) - so any data on the value of that
> >>
> >> for users of the
> >>
> >> >>> stove
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > could be very helpful to others. (Can they control
> >>
> >> excess air by the
> >>
> >> >>> look
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > of the flame?)
> >> >>> > A few questions:
> >> >>> > the price?
> >> >>> > sales going well?
> >> >>> > what percentage char by weight?
> >> >>> > any soil improvement results from using the biochar?
> >> >>> > can you do more than a 4:3 turndown ratio? (based
> >>
> >> on your two stated
> >>
> >> >>> power
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > levels)
> >> >>> > apparently you are striving for biochar (great!),
> >>
> >> but can you
> >>
> >> >>> describe
> >> >>> conditions if you try to burn the produced char?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > any efficiency data?
> >> >>> > you appear to be pre-heating both primary and
> >>
> >> secondary air - can you
> >>
> >> >>> attribute any performance improvement to that? (I
> >>
> >> know of no-one else
> >>
> >> >>> doing both)
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > Thanks for the alert on your stove.
> >> >>> > Ron
> >> >>> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>> > From:mnurhuda at ub.ac.id
> >>
> >> <mailto:From%3Amnurhuda at ub.ac.id>
> >>
> >> <http://webmail.ub.ac.id/src/compose.php?send_to=mnurhuda%40
> >> ub.ac.id>
> >>
> >> >>> > To:stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org
> >>
> >> <mailto:To%3Astoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> >>
> >> <http://webmail.ub.ac.id/src/compose.php?send_to=stoves%40li
> >> sts.bioenergylists.org>
> >>
> >> >>> > Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2012 5:03:54 PM
> >> >>> > Subject: [Stoves] Smoke-free biomass pellet fueled
> >>
> >> stove
> >>
> >> >>> > Dear all,
> >> >>> > Please check to following page to see the video of
> >>
> >> our smoke-free,
> >>
> >> >>> biomass-pellet fueled stove:
> >> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWt25oD1iWk&feature=youtu.be
> >> >
> >> >>> > Kind regards
> >> >>> > M. Nurhuda
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