[Stoves] FW: Patio Heater Conversion and introduction to a new training resource for Eco lena production in Guatemala

Tue Nov 20 13:23:04 CST 2012

Re patio heaters I wonder if we are on the right track: It is not the
temperature but the color of the flame that generates infra red reflected
heat which unlike convected heat from a visible flame for example, is
multidirectional. Its this ability to heat downward and any other direction
for that matter, that allows the heat source to be positioned well above
(commonly 6-8 ft plus)...the people. 

On Nov 20, 2012,The Ir is generated by the gasses coming into contact with a
certain type of material which then glows and emits IR radiation we perceive
as heat. 

At least that a what I learned in undergrad physics about a thousand years
ago

Back to briquettes in Guatemala..

BTW all, If anybody is working in this fantastic nation and wants to know
something about Eco Lena as it is now evolving, We have just completed a TOT
workshop and managed to matriculate 10 briquette training teams. They are
form the west Sta. Pablo (Departamente de San Marcos), central,  Nebaj in
Quiche' ,thru INAB --(national forest institute),  north west Sta Eulalia
which is due north of Huehuetenango-- right up on the frontera with Mexico,
east to Sacapulas / Quiche, and further east to Alta Verapaz Coban. 

Welcome to any and all of you and your organizations / counterparts, to
consider training in Eco Lena production. The trainers are as well able to
supply the locally made and maintained presses to your groups at really
reasonable prices.

Generally,  production and sale of the trained producers briquettes will pay
back the cost of training and the equipment  within one or two months. 

Our counter part organization which will be coordinating training in
Guatemala and regionally, is Fundacion Progresar. The director is Dra.
Letecia Velasquez (third person from left, below). Graduation photos taken
from the training center in Solola. 

Bienvenido a todos. 

Richard, 

briquettes-fireplace.jpgSolola-graduation.jpg

at 7:15 AM, Paul Anderson wrote:

Dear Erich and Hans and all,    and jss

Use of a TLUD for a patio heater is very interesting, and raises many
questions.   I hope that this new thread /Subject can stick to this topic
and that ...

1.   GOAL:    collectively we can devise a practical patio heater product
with a TLUD as the heat source.  

2.  But there are at least 2 Listservs involved, so it could easily split.
I will discuss with my webmaster James about having summary information
placed on my   www.drtlud.com <http://www.drtlud.com/>    website.   (I do
not want to have the interactive discussions there in the comments
sections.)

3.  The summary of what has already been communicated is in Erich's comments
and Hans' photos (we will want to pull out the 4 photos that are numbers
0186, 0187, 0188, and 0192 .)

On 11/19/2012 8:56 PM, Erich Knight wrote:

Hi Paul,

The Patio heater conversion is in the same photo stream as the Weber Kettle
TLUD, that Hans posted.
I had only posted the picture of the stainless steel patio heater
previously, not the exploded view with the stainless steel cook pot and wire
mesh & chimney replacing the propane gas cylinder. 
So now I am keeping an eye out for a damaged Patio heater. I imagine that
the photo showing 500°C is considerably more than what the propane puts out.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cheap-thrillz/8034974018/in/set-721576294349812
97/

Erich

Also important is the address for Hans

Hans Erken <hans at earthcare.com.au>

              Some questions:   
4.  Is there a door for inserting and removing the TLUD?  

5.   How well does it actually heat?  And in comparison with the LPG /
Propane versions that have more radiant heating, I believe.

6.   Costs and durability, etc.

I hope that some readers and their friends will study this.    If
interested, please speak up so that we can identify who could be looking
into this topic.        (I am headed to Uganda on Sunday for 3 weeks and I
will not be able to do much except to read the messages and send some
comments.)

Paul

Paul S. Anderson, PhD  aka "Dr TLUD"
Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu   Skype: paultlud  Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website:  www.drtlud.com <http://www.drtlud.com/> 

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