[Stoves] FW: Need designs

Sun Sep 16 17:43:21 CDT 2012

Dear Erin and all,,

Thank you for cultivating the newcomers to consider biochar stoves.

Most of us who are heavily involved with gasifier stoves try to have 
transparency, and try to offer assistance to all who inquire.

When appropriate, please provide (or have the newcomers provide) some 
details about their interests, timetables, desired sizes of projects, 
experiences, etc. so that information specific to their interests can be 
provided.

Paul

Paul S. Anderson, PhD  aka "Dr TLUD"
Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu   Skype: paultlud  Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website:  www.drtlud.com

On 9/16/2012 5:27 PM, Erin Rasmussen wrote:
> So there's a new group people looking for stove designs that have mainly been visiting the web site so far.  They have learned a little about biochar, and they are interested in it, but they haven't really figured out how it works. They like the idea of a cooking stove and they are trying to make a biochar making cooking stove that they can use in their own community. They are brand new stove enthusiasts, and with a little help from us, they can do a good job making efficient stoves.
>
>    I'm working hard to try to meet the needs to this type of stove designer because I think it's a great way to share the wealth of information and experience we have and foster a new generation of stove users and creators.
>
> To sum up, they are new and they are looking for 'biochar stoves,' and I think they've gone ahead and aptly named a class of stoves that will use fuel efficiently, hopefully emit less, and produce a helpful byproduct.  I generally tell them how wonderful and helpful you all are before I direct them to the list.  :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Erin
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rongretlarson at comcast.net
> Date: 09/16/2012 12:44 PM
> To: "Discussion of biomass cooking stoves" <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] FW: Need designs
>
>   Kevin:
>
>     I think we all know what Aron meant in asking about a biochar stove.  His first message, responded to by Erin, was very clear.  You are creating considerable confusion with two comments I respond to below.
> From: "Kevin C" <kchisholm at ca.inter.net>
> To: "Discussion of biomass cooking stoves" <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 2:16:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] FW: Need designs
>
> Dear Ron
>
> Quoting rongretlarson at comcast.net:
>
>> Aron:
>>
>> Can you clarify your intended design? I know of no way that you can
>> turn a rocket stove into a char-making stove (but would love to hear
>> differently).
> # A "char making stove" is only relevant in a case where the person
> wants a cooking/heating function, and ending up with a charcoal
> residue is acceptable or desirable. In many cases, the production of
> residual charcoal is undesirable.
>
> # There is a lot of confusion with the term "biochar stove."
> 1: It is not possible to have a "biochar stove." One can certainly
> have a stove that produces "charcoal", but charcoal only becomes
> "biochar" when it is used in an agricultural application. A TLUD stove
> is not a "biochar stove"... it is a stove that produces charcoal that
> may or may not end up being used as biochar.
> 2: In that we have a "wood stove", a "kerosene stove", a "charcoal
> stove", etc, the term "biochar stove" could simply be a stove that is
> fueled with char, charcoal, biochar, etc.
>      [RWL:  You (correctly) denied this sentence's validity with your above (now-underlined, italicized and bolded) phrase.   Fueling a stove with biochar is not an "agricultural application"..
>
> # Is Aron perhaps designing a stove that is fueled with charcoal?
>      [RWL:  Obviously not - see his first message (below) to the list.  I wish that whole topic could disappear from this list - as it is usually so wasteful of biomass.      Ron]
>
> Kevin
>
>> Ron .
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Aron Tjihumino "
>> To: "Discussion of biomass cooking stoves" <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 11:48:07 AM
>> Subject: [Stoves] FW: Need designs
>>
>>
>> Can you help me on how to analyse heat tranfer through a cone... Im
>> designing a Biochar stove with coencentric cylinders. In essence its a
>> rocket stove. I want to make the inner cylinder conic so that i can retain
>> more heat in the stove....
>> The books i have read dont show me how to analyse conduction and convection
>> in a cone...
>> Will need a reply as soon as possible, if your able to help.
>> Thank you in advance...
>>
>>
>> On 8/10/12, Erin Rasmussen <erin at trmiles.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Aron,
>>>
>>> We have the TLUD Handbook is on our web site here:
>>> http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/tludhandbookdraft-1
>>>
>>> a shorter link directly to the handbook pdf file is
>>> http://bit.ly/NhrZWX
>>>
>>> Plans for the Anila stove are here:
>>> http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/anila
>>>
>>> I hope that helps, let me know if I can be of any assitance.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Erin Rasmussen
>>>
>>> TR Miles Technical Consultants Inc. http://www.trmiles.com/
>>> and BioEnergy Discussion Lists http://www.bioenergylists.org/
>>> erin at trmiles.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Aron Tjihumino [mailto:atjihumino at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 9:59 AM
>>> To: Erin at trmiles.com
>>> Subject: Need designs
>>>
>>> Afternoon...
>>> I'm Aron Tjihumino, a final year Bachelor of Engineering: Mechanical
>>> Engineering Student at the Polytechnic of Namibia, Namibia
>>>
>>> I am desgining a biochar and i need plans from where to start.
>>> Can you please email me plans for Anila And Anderson TLUD biochar
>>> stove, please Look forward to hearing from you soon.
>>> kind regards
>>>
>>> Aron Tjihumino
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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