[Stoves] Commercial purposes in homes was Re: Biomass Fired Appliance Characteristics, Features, Qualities, Attributes and or Considerations

Wed Apr 10 13:21:58 CDT 2013

Dear Cecil, Stovers,

All this is very complex as you mention. I am trying to decide if it is too
complex to be able to get a handle on all the variables to approach in
detailed analysis. If it is too complex we would need to approach this as a
'Natural System' approach.  In the NS approach we simply distribute stoves
and see what happens, record that and pick the best. I prefer trying to
control the variables for detailed analysis and think the Tool Box approach
would work very well in doing this - if it can be done at all. 

Another point: I think we need a different word other than Efficiency now
that we are considering making and using char after the gasses have been
used for cooking/heating tasks. The word efficiency is what we want but
gives the idea of good or bad to most readers and, if we are not yet
finished with using the fuel (going to use the char later for something
else) we will devalue a stove when the efficiency has been calculated on the
stove part alone. Perhaps use 'Percent energy used' during a task. I like
Crispins idea of keeping track of the energy. This in (1) what remains and
that (2) used in preforming the task and that (3) wasted. This will require
good test methods most likely in a lab that simulates a real-world
situation. The energy remaining (char) is then monitored in the next use.   

And Cecil, Thanks for the describing the procedure for collecting the nectar
and making sugar from it. Very interesting to an arm chair traveler. I had
no idea this was being done. 

Thanks

Frank

Frank Shields

Control Laboratories, Inc.

42 Hangar Way

Watsonville, CA  95076

(831) 724-5422 tel

(831) 724-3188 fax

 <http://www.biocharlab> www.biocharlab.com

From: Stoves [mailto:stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] On Behalf Of
Cecil Cook
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 5:34 AM
To: Paul Anderson
Cc: hcarlsson at worldbank.org; Prianti Utami; Laurent Durix; Yabei Zhang - WB;
Veronica Mendizabal Joffre; Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
Subject: Re: [Stoves] Commercial purposes in homes was Re: Biomass Fired
Appliance Characteristics, Features, Qualities, Attributes and or
Considerations

Dear Paul et al, 

Pardon me for  not replying sooner to your request.  I was in the air and/or
in recovery mode after my two day return journey from Indonesia to South
Africa.  Now I am gathering my wits and beginning to function again.

There is mountainous ridge running down the spire of the entire length of
the Island of Java.  More than 60% of the population of Indonesia resides in
Java.  In the mountains, when the environment is right, households tap the
sugar palm trees that grow on their land.  It can be as few as 5 or 6 trees
up to as many of 30 threes.  Depending on the season, the palm trees give
about a liter of nectar from the flower per day which is then boiled until
it crystallizes and becomes solid.  It is then poured into coconut shell
bowls to cool and after cooling is put into a plastic bag and sold to a
nearby buy trader for about $1 a kg.  It takes about 10 trees to produce
enough sap -really nectar from the bud which is trimmed two times a day.
The nectar is collected by climbing up 6 to 10 meter palm trees, with no
safety belts, and only small hand and foot holds chopped in to the trunk.
It must be difficult on rainy days to climb to the top.  The collector
carries a 250 mm long tube of bamboo which he clips onto his belt.  He
removes the tube with nectar and replaces it with the empty tube.  

The nectar from one or two collectionis placed in a large 15 to 20 liter
capacity wok about 400 mm in diameter and 150 mm in depth.  If there is too
much nectar it goes into a second pot or wok. 

The wok and the pot are boiled at full power for between 2 to 3 hours,
depending on the power of the fire and the amount of nectar that needs to be
dehydrated.  There are a number of different kinds of stoves used to
dehydrate the nectar down to sugar. The stove can be a three stone fire, a
two pot hole traditional stove with no chimney inside the traditional
Javanese kitchen which is high roofed and covered with clay tiles and the
woven bamboo and palm leaf walls which do not interfere with the exhaust of
the smoke created by the fire. 

There is also an improved stove with a chimney with 2 or 3 pot holes - the
Jolentho - which the World Bank's partners in Yogyakarta evolved over a
number of years through trial and error that has now been standardized and
is being demonstrated, tested and optimized in a few villages to the west of
Mt Merapi, a hyperactive volcano for which Yogyakarta Province is becoming
famous.   

A typical work load of nectar cooking would be +/- 15 liters per day.  I
observed the following daily sequence of cooking tasks performed by rural
households to dehydrate  nectar into palm sugar. The following different
types of stove work are typically performed on the 2 and 3 pot hole stove in
farming households. 

*	First  one or two kettles full of water (5 to 8 liters) are brought
to a boil and poured into big thermos for use during the day to make tea and
coffee or to take the chill off bath water in the early AM.  
*	Next the rice for the day is boiled and then steamed into a two
piece steamer (called 'soblok').  The amount of rice cooked is a function of
family size and income.  That takes up to 1 hour to complete cooking the
rice properly.  
*	Then other types of foods for the day are cooked using woks, oil,
water and vigorous stirring or pots to cook a range of different types of
soup for another 30 minutes.  

The second pot hole is used to warm up the nectar whenever it is free.  The
third pot hole is either simply closed with a pot lid or used to keep a
kettle of water hot. Additional hot water is used to wash up the bamboo
tubes, woks, and cooking tools used to cook the nectar which becomes quickly
acidic and ferments. 

When the household cooking tasks are completed, the stove operator
concentrates on the task of dehydrating the palm nectar.  We do not have an
accurate method for estimating the K watts of the wood fire. It can range
between 4 K watts to 6 K watts.  One variable factor is whether long sticks
are pushed deep into the multi-pot hole stove so that the fire is burning
under both the first and second holes.    

While examining the use of traditional biomass stoves in Central Java to
dehydrate palm sugar, it is necessary to also look at all the other tasks
that stoves are expected to perform in a  rural Javanese home: 

(1.) dry firewood which is piled on top of the stove after it is
extinguished (also drying clothes during the long rainy season); 

(2.) the source of heat needed to dry corn and peanuts and other crops piled
on a platform about 1.5 meters above the stove; 

(3.), also the smoke helps to protect these crops from destructive pests and
weevils; 

(4.) warming the kitchen space and family members on cold mornings and
evening which is normally the social center of the family; 

(5.) cooking large wok-fulls of mean and vegetables on ceremonial occasions
such as funerals or weddings which express ones solidarity with a larger
community of relatives.

We do not know what percentage of rural households produce palm sugar in
Central Java and Yogyakarta.  In some areas and communities it is more than
50% of the households.  

It must be remembered that in all the households that are working 2 to 3
hours a day cooking palm sugar, there is not shortage of free biomass.
However, there may be a shortage of labour in particular households to
gather and dry the required quantities of high quality fuelwood needed to
boil down 10 to 20 litres of palm nectar every day.  

Maybe this gives you a sense of full spectrum of different kinds of stove
work that is going on in typical villages in Central Java.

In service,

Cecil Cook

On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 3:20 AM, Paul Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu> wrote:

Dear Cecil,

Please describe the commercial purposes referred to by Crispin:

Cecil found that in some areas of Java 90% of rural homes use the cooking
stove for commercial purposes and that more fuel is burned for home industry
than for cooking meals.

The sizes (heat output) of the fires is important, as is the physical
structure of the heat-capture device (pot, griddle, oven etc)

Paul

Paul S. Anderson, PhD  aka "Dr TLUD"
Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu   Skype: paultlud  Phone: +1-309-452-7072
<tel:%2B1-309-452-7072> 
Website:  www.drtlud.com

On 4/7/2013 8:53 AM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott wrote:

That is a good idea.

Consider this: Cecil found that in some areas of Java 90% of rural homes use
the cooking stove for commercial purposes and that more fuel is burned for
home industry than for cooking meals.

Is that an industrial stove?

In towns the %is not much lower though varies a lot with the neighbourhood.

If we want to promote better stoves to the general population we have to
consider what they do with them, carefully.

Lanny: it occurs to me that the definition of a chimney stove (or not) is
whether there is something after the pot that increases draft. Draft
inducers below/prior to the pot are not included in the chimney group.

What'cha think?

Regards
Crispin
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