[Stoves] [biochar] State of the scientific knowledge on properties and genesis of Anthropogenic Dark Earths

[Ron]

Wayne. Cc stoves

  I am taking an unusual action here - of taking your remarks from one list to another -because it seems so important on this sister stove  list - in terms of user reaction

   I am not surprised by the grandmother's love for your stove,  but I do hope that you can send some details on your specific design - probably best to both lists.

  For the sake of both lists, I also want to understand why you are not or not able to make char in it.

Ron

On Jun 1, 2013, at 11:58 PM, "Teel, Wayne Stephen - teelws" <teelws at jmu.edu> wrote:

> Mark,
> 
> I don't think it western smugness at all.  In fact, I think you are making another classic western mistake, the assumption that these people are too different to understand.  Actually people are not all that different.  I am writing this from western Kenya, among the Abiluhya/Idakho people's near the town of Kakamega.  I brought over a TLUD stove that my students and I made in a research project this past year.  We have done a few trials already and the response is not all that different from professors at JMU; where is all the smoke? How does it work so well?  Can I buy one?  Can we make them ourselves?  One older woman, a grandmother numerous times over, loved the stove because she can use it inside the kitchen instead of the in the kitchen hut outside because there is no smoke.  Is that so different than us?  So why could a midden not be a garden? When you discover stuff growing well on the throwaways of your midden, why not turn it into a garden?  I would.
> 
> By the way, no biochar from the TLUD.  We are using throwaway pieces of wood, too small for a three stone fire.  They tend to be completely consumed in the process.  The key interest is in smokeless cooking.  Thanks to Paul Anderson and Hugh McLaughlin for the design ideas.
> 
> Wayne
> 
> Wayne S. Teel
> 701 Carrier Drive
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> ________________________________________
> From: biochar at yahoogroups.com [biochar at yahoogroups.com] on behalf of Mark Ludlow [mark at ludlow.com]
> Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 10:24 PM
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> Subject: RE: [biochar] State of the scientific knowledge on properties and genesis of Anthropogenic Dark Earths
> 
> Jeezuz, Erich! It’s not sarcasm at all! You think these midden pits were kitchen gardens? It’s so easy to transpose (overlay) our culture on prehi